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Just a few clarifications for non-Clevelanders......

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Chat' started by bardolator, Jul 24, 2021.

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  1. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    The "burning river" and "mistake on the lake" things bother me a little because those have become what we are known for. Philly has cheese steak to soften the blow, and not that many people make the Santa Claus joke or even know the story. Although numerous posters have mentioned some of the best things about Northeast Ohio, one of the very best has not been mentioned yet. The Cleveland Orchestra was honed into a fine instrument by George Szell many years ago, has been, at times, rated as the finest in the world, and remains excellent. We used to live 15 minutes from its summer home and attended many concerts there, as well as some in its magnificently restored winter venue, Severance Hall.
     
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    Oh my friend, as someone who endured the defensiveness and provincialism of Cleveland for three years, I assure you Ohioans will get prickly about that and a billion other things.
     
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    I never felt very sensitive because I know that most of the criticism stems from ignorance, and also from jealousy because we had Ghoulardi and the rest of you did not. I agree, though, that some of us need to cool it. All I can say in defense of my more sensitive former neighbors is that these are the times in which we live.
     
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    Defensive might be a little strong over the burning river jokes. I think it’s more of annoyance. The joke is over 50 years old..Saying that.. Most on this board are probably well over 50 and that joke is something they grew up with.. Maybe even had a good time with? Old habits die hard I guess

    I can assure you the burning river joke will cease to exist by the time my Generation starts to hit our late 40s and 50s..
     
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    Over the weekend I saw “Silver Linings Playbook” again and I can tell you that the scenes showing Eagles fans are pretty accurate. Why anyone would pay upwards of $400 for a ticket and proceed to get ossified while tailgating is beyond me.

    Speaking of cheesesteaks, sports fanaticism, and nothing good happens after midnight, an Eagles fan and a NY Football Giants fan got into an argument while waiting for a Pat’s King of Steaks Cheesesteak. The argument got physical, and sadly it ended in a shooting. https://nypost.com/2021/07/23/shooting-at-pats-steaks-in-philly-after-eagles-and-giants-fans-argue/
     
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    As a life long and die hard Clevelander…I agree the burning river jokes can be a little annoying. I wasn’t even alive when the river burned lol. And I’ve been familiar with the Guardians of Transportation my whole life…my husband loves them and we even have Guardians of Transportation art in our house. “The Tribe” will always hold a special place in my heart but I’m ready to move on…I like the new name! The logo is another story lol.
     
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    I grew up 60 miles west of cleveland in the boonies. I've been a die hard Indians fan since I could walk. Dad drove the family to municipal stadium for games a few times in the summers. I grew up listening to WMMS and went to so many concerts in and around Cleveland. TOTALLY the right city for the RRHOF. I LOVE Cleveland!!! I remember watching Johnny Carson -- who I also love -- making jokes about the fires burning on the river. I have come up with this theory: God was NOT happy with Cleveland for creating the situation that fueled those fires. His punishment is that the Browns and the Indians will NEVER take the super bowl or the world series EVER. Silly little theory but........think about it.
     
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    SHEESH! My Philly friends have never liked one that wasn't made within 50 miles of Philadelphia, but they keep on trying them. I'm not that fond of cheese steak but I love the rolls they use. Fortunately for the sake of my own heritage, just about any pierogi is a good pierogi. Now sausage is another matter. It doesn't have to be from Cleveland to be good, but we do have our standards.
     
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    Hmmm.... well, God did punish all the children of Israel for what perhaps only some of them actually did, so I guess your theory holds up. I thought maybe I was the curse, since the last time the Indians won it all was just before I came onto the scene. After they lost to the Braves, Marlins, and Cubs, I finally decided the only way the Tribe would win it all is if I left the area. So far no luck. As for the Browns, my brother (who still lives in Ohio) is becoming more optimistic, but I just say we'll always have 1964.
     
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    If the name is not copyrighted, why not use the nickname of the most popular sports team in the state of Ohio? They could be the Cleveland Buckeyes.
     
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    We have a couple of these thingees on this side of the border. Let me explain one and the contretemps for the Cleveland Native Americans.

    In Toronto, we’ve got a street called ‘Dundas’, named after...”The city's final report supported renaming the street, concluding that Dundas "played an instrumental role in delaying the abolition of the slave trade" and that this conflicts with "the values of equity and inclusion" of the city.”

    Alrighty. However, Dundas is a very loooooong street, so the costs for doing so, will be absurdly large! My solution? Obviously, find a ‘good’ Dundas and arrange a wee ceremony to re-dedicate it!

    Similarly, with the Indians, notwithstanding that absurd caricature Chief Wahoo. The team should have searched around for the ancestors of the original tribe occupying pre establishment of Cleveland, cut a deal and again re-dedicate.

    Some solutions to these cross century issues, simply need a bit of intelligence.
     
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    Ohio State tried to copyright the word 'The' as they refer to themselves as 'The' Ohio State Buckeyes so I doubt that would fly.
     
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    There is no more possessive, arrogant group of people in the state of Ohio than the Buckeyes. They even sued Ohio University for the exclusive right to use the word "Ohio" on uniforms, etc., even though Ohio University is more than 50 years older than Ohio State.
     
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    Various tribes inhabited portions of Northeast Ohio at various times. Establishing one would not be possible and might lead to squabbling among tribes, especially considering the lucrative casino business opportunities that might come about if they could claim the turf. Ohio was in fact seen by some tribes as a hunting ground which was open to all. If I had my druthers, I would choose the Chippewa tribe, whose northern branch operates an excellent casino hotel in Michigan called the Screaming Eagle. I visited there numerous times because my wife likes to support First Nations and I like a house that offers players decent odds. The same cannot be said of Ohio casinos run by big corporations.

    But I doubt the Chippewas or any tribe would consent to commercial use of its name by a team formerly using Chief Wahoo as its mascot.

    Since Cleveland already has a sports franchise named for a person, there would be a precedent for doing that, but again, one could never get the descendants to agree. The great warrior Tecumseh is an important part of our state's heritage, but his name was snapped up long ago and without asking anybody's permission by a manufacturer of small gasoline engines.
     
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    This thread has gone in the same general direction as the last thread that was closed. I'm not sure why a new thread was necessary, but I gave this one a try and now I'm closing it to further comments as the horse has been sufficiently beaten.
     
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