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Video Poker JoB - deviating from basic strategy

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by WolfpackRobNC, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. AyDee

    AyDee Low-Roller

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    just become a DDB addict already and chase 4oaks all day :D:cry:
    you can still hold kickers on 3 aces if you want. :bang::grrr:
     
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  2. spdandpwr

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    I just realized this, the strategy changes based on what game we're playing AND the paytable. I usually play 6/5 or 7/5...sometimes 8/5 in AC. As such, I wonder if the math still checks out.
     
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    Am I missing something or won’t only 3 cards match the held card? (4 including the quads out). So 4/47 or about an 8.5% chance of improving.

    If the math I’m seeing is right, not holding an additional card means you have a 1/16 chance of hitting a full house, and a 1/24 chance of hitting quads. So (*math math math*) about a 10.4% chance of improving.
     
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    You're not missing anything. Holding a kicker is a pretty bad mistake.

    And the pair with a kicker is worse because that opportunity comes up much more often. You're probably costing yourself 5% to the house if you routinely do it.
     
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    I usually go for the Royal with 3 to the Royal even if I have a pair. The instances I don't is when the third card is a 10 or I have a pair of Aces. In that case I will go for aces as I can possible get 2000 or 800 credits. In this case, I really don't care about the math as all dealt cards are chance (unless there is a problem with RNG).
    My opinion is play what you feel, it's luck. Sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't. That's how you get dealt Royals - luck - see Avatar.
     
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  6. JeJas

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    So many people doing that.
    That’s why we used to get good rating (theo) on VP.

    Now people are still holding kicker with pair, but many casinos no longer use their actual “winning” to rate theo.
     
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    If I have J - 7 - 2 - 5 - 5, I hold the jack, of course. Cause it's one-to-a-royal.
     
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    That’s a right play in my book.
    I had my share of holding 1 and got a royal.
     
  10. wasilla

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    Casinos must make a fortune off of even +EV games.
     
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    I remember one dealer saying that they loved wannabe card counters. :)
     
  12. JeJas

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    I don’t know about that.
    I never felt any love in casinos.
     
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  13. wasilla

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    I use to be one of those wanna be card counters back when it was enough to give a player a substantial edge and I lost money because I was bad at it. So I switched games.
    A few years ago I was playing at MSS BHB and held 2 to a royal. I didn't notice the low pair until I hit draw. I looked away using some profanity and the machine was dead silent. When I looked back a $2000 royal had appeared. Everyone would agree that $2000 is better than the nothing that I would have gotten following strategy. The difference is the lessons we draw from it. I learned that lucky things could happen, but I still play strategy to optimize long term results.
     
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    Some so-called experts say that you should never hold a suited Ace and Ten. I usually do, and this time (little more than a year ago) it sure paid off! :)

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. wasilla

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    I don't think that anyone is disputing the OP's right to play the way he wants. He seemed to be asking if his method was a sound approach which implies that he is seeking some expertise. Why I can't personally claim to be an expert, I am very happy to learn what they know. I still wonder if the OP is just trolling. If he's not, he's gotten some decent explanations as to how this approach will probably (almost certainly) cost him money. Obviously anything can happen with a given hand. Even if you were determined to lose your entire bank roll, shut your eyes, and draw 5 new cards each time you would still occasionally be dealt a Royal or draw a Royal. This wouldn't mean that always drawing 5 cards was the best way to play. Personally I have never held an Ace, thrown the 10, and had the other 3 royal cards come out. It will probably happen someday, but it won't make holding an Ace, 10 a good proposition unless there is a decent progressive.
    Most experts I have met have both good and bad days, but do well over time after factoring in free play and points. Other comps are on top of that which either reduce their living expenses or make their trips free. I personally am attracted to that so I try to play the way they play. If you're playing nickel VP, nothing is probably really going to matter that much. Even playing 6-5 nickel BP by hunch shouldn't cost over a hundred or two per day.
     
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    It amazes me how many Ace Ten royals I've seen on forums. Probably close to ten. Also seen one in person. It was his 2nd royal of the day. None have been the optimal play either, I think. The live viewing was a progressive.

    My hardest "bucket list" goal is to hit a royal with Ace Ten while still being optimal. Lol
     
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    @Chuck2009x , I hope you're kidding, but you never know.:confused:
     
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    Everyone is being so polite. My first reaction was that the OP’s two described deviations were so significantly egregious that he HAD to be trolling. Those are really bad decisions straight up. You are welcome to make them, but they are awful statistically speaking and are hurting your EV quite a bit.
     
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  19. Chuck2009x

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    Well it's two things at once, innit?
     
  20. WolfpackRobNC

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    I really wasn’t trolling, I just don’t have the expertise/experience that some of you do. And yes, I was seeking advice.

    Reading the posts, it’s clear I didn’t assess the chance of 4oaK. That makes a ton of sense.

    Thanks!! :beer:
     
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