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Slots Jackpot.. sorta

Discussion in 'Slots' started by Dader, Nov 8, 2016.

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  1. Dader

    Dader Tourist

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    image.jpeg Hit this at the Palazzo a couple of days ago. Too bad I wasn't betting max. Got $300 instead of the $385k progressive. Made me wonder if it was the universe's way of telling me I'm never gonna hit the big one, ever. I wanted to quit playing slots after that, but as my hubby says, I'm easily distracted by shiny objects so that only lasted a couple of minutes :D
     
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  2. Richard Alpert

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    Hits like these are just the warm-ups before you hit The Big One!

    If I won that progressive I'd buy my own Lollipop Guild to follow me around, bashing kneecaps with huge lollipops and not even bothering to take names!

    RICHARD
     
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    Chuck2009x VIP Whale

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    Seeing that is a relative bummer. But I thought you also had to hit the 5 progressive symbols at max bet on a particular line, which probably isn't line 18. Can bigger fans of this game verify that for me? I can't find any info on the rule screens online.
     
  5. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    So sorry.
    That is why I will never push the button on a machine with a progressive without max bet. I either play max and do not play at all. If my credits get so low I can not make another FULL spin, I cash out. (or put more money in which is almost always a bigger mistake)
     
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  6. gotChopin

    gotChopin Low-Roller

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    Oh boy
     
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    I had that happen at the Nugget a few years ago. It does have to be on a certain line to win. Mine was not on the correct line. Would have been $38,000. $900 for a 90 cent bet wasn't bad though.
     

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    Ouch!
    the big progressive is for line #1.
    So you didn't miss it by short coined
     
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    gotChopin Low-Roller

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    I almost won the big progressive jackpot as well.
    It was on two lines not one.
    I also placed full coin.
    One of the five matches had a different color however. (Also a different sort of shape)
    Also it was during a non-red flashing time. Like prime time hours. Actually I may have been in an entirely different casino than the progressive jackpot im remembering, might have been next door or across the street. ..



    :(
     
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  10. Ally Vegas

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    Actually, the progressive only is paid if it lands on line #1, so you didn't miss out!!! Don't lose any sleep over it!

    Same thing happened to a guy I was playing beside, he was betting max and got 5k.
     
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  11. Dader

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    Aaah, thanks guys, I feel so much better now :peace:
     
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    If it makes you feel better, I was playing Wheel of Fortune Progressive at CP on my first ever trip to Vegas. On the last day I got up early and wanted to walk around the strip (was with a big group of guys and we partied hard and I didn't get to see as much as I would have liked). So as I waited for the Forum Shops to open, I was playing $0.25 and hit the progressive on the first two reels (on line 1) and the third progressive showed up on wheel three, one click down too far... Didn't win squat and I had a few choice words. A CW was walking around and got me a triple of bourbon (I can't remember what I got) and a splash of coke. Had it hit I would have won $1.4 Mil... So so close...

    And yes, always bet max on progressives!
     
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    FuzzyDiceCraps High-Roller

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    If it makes you feel any better, with most machines the bet multiplier is one of the variables considered by the RNG in determining the result of a spin. It doesn't impact the likelihood of a certain result, it simply gets factored into the algorithm. Meaning had you been betting max, the result of your spin would have been different.
     
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    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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  15. Dader

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    Ouch! Sorry to hear that...
     
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    Yup. Max bet or no bet.
     
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    For all of those who had an "almost".

    If you understand how the machines are programmed, you would see that a non-winning position on the screen could be filled by anything. On a mechanical machine, "near misses" were actual.

    On a mechanical machine, if there were only one jackpot symbol one each of the three reels, the jackpot would pay 8,000:1 at true odds (20 x 20 x 20). The only way to increase the jackpot would be to add reels. For a four reel machine with one jackpot symbol on each reel, the true odds would be 160,000:1

    There was a "breakthrough" by Inge S. Telnaes (the filed a patent US4448419 in 1984 for it) in which they could map more symbols per reel. On a machine that used 256 symbols per each of the three reels, if there were only on Jackpot symbol on each of the three reels, the jackpot odds would rise to 16,777,216:1 (256 x 256 x 256)

    On a video machine, you could program "any" symbol to be above or below the payline. Since the position is not "actionable", what you put there is irrelevant.

    On a "reel" slot machine, it's a little trickier, in that if you "wanted" to make more "near misses" occur, you would need to have a jackpot symbol one above or one below each symbol on the reel.

    A slot machine's only function is to display the PRNG's output on the screen.

    From the Wizard of Odds:

    . . . I asked a well connected gaming consultant and he said Nevada regulations state that one stop on a reel can not be weighted more than six times more than either stop next to it. So if a jackpot symbol were weighted by 1 and both bordering blanks were weighted by 6 then there would be 12 near misses for every one time the reel stopped on the jackpot symbol. This would be the maximum allowed near miss effect. My own results detailed in my slot machine appendix 1 back up this theory well. The red double seven was the highest paying symbol and I saw the blanks above and below it about 5 to 6 times as often:
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    Hope this didn't affect anyone's affinity or aversion to slot machines.
     
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    That regulation is no longer officially on the books in Nevada or anywhere else. It was on the Nevada books at one time though I believe. It was also a part of the GLI-11 handbook for slots (which many states and slot manufacturers follow closely), but it was deleted in the v1.3 revision in Nov. 2000. Before that they suggested a 9 to 1 maximum ratio. Generally speaking, however, I believe most slot manufacturers still follow these older guidelines.

    This fall they also released GLI-11 version 3, which covers skill based gaming in much more detail than in the past. They also changed the suggested maximum odds for the top prize to conform to Nevada regulations, which is 1 in 100M or better or explicitly display the odds on the payglass. In the past they have followed most other states' requirements of 1 in 50M with no exceptions.

    http://www.gaminglabs.com/gli-standards lists all the current standard PDFs and several older versions.
     
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