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Is this worthy of seeking a host?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Bondy3, Jan 19, 2017.

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  1. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    my father in law lives in vegas and rarely gambles, but for some reason he really misses the perks of being a diamond at Ceasars so he wanted to try to do Diamond in a day (50k coin in playing VP at ceasars) and he was wondering if that kind of action is worthy of looking for a host, he would do 25k coin in for 2 days in a row, is that quantity of play worthy of seeking out a host for some freebees? (maybe a comped room for his daughter when we come visit on the days he does this?)

    no clue how much he would lose doing this or how much theo would be
     
  2. JeJas

    JeJas VIP Whale

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    I would say NO.
    theo is about $1000 total. Unless he is very lucky, the loss could be 10 times of the theo.
    So be prepared to lose $5K-$10K.
    BTW, this is a classic act of playing for comps, if it means anything!
     
  3. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    I was thinking theo would be closer to $2k, aren't the machines at Ceasars pretty tight?
     
  4. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    Yes, but IMHO, in this case there is higher justification since the cardholder lives in LV and could make good use of the privileges.
     
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  5. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    If you play the "best option" in Vegas (at Rio), it's less than $500 as they still have 8/5 Bonus for $10/point. Most CET dollar games are closer to $1000 (~2% house edge). One paytable "notch" makes a big difference!
     
  6. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    he would be playing JoB spin poker at Ceasars, but im fairly sure he makes a bunch of strategy mistakes, so 1.55% HE with perfect play, but im assuming with him its more like 4% or 5% because his strategy isn't perfect and he probably wont hit a royal
     
  7. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    I think he would probably have to hold cards blindly to make the HA that big! Remember, it isn't just how many mistakes you make but how big those mistakes are. Most mistakes only cost you a few tenths of a percent.
     
  8. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    You have to play pretty poorly to have a 2.5% to 3.5% error rate based on return in JoB. But failing to hit a royal does lower expected return by ~$2. So unless he's lucky, and gets a royal, probably will cost him a few thousand.

    Wizard's "simple strategy" of 16 steps gives you an 0.08% error rate.

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/jacks-or-better/9-6/simple/

    To improve on this I would add/modify:

    Modify Step 12: 3 to straight flush, except those with no high cards and 2 gaps (e.g. 357, 468, 579)

    Add between step 15 & 16:
    3 to straight flush with no high cards and 2 gaps (e.g. 357, 468, 579)

    Add between step 12 & 13:
    Inside straight with 3 high cards

    This strategy isn't very difficult to learn, imo.
     
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  9. Drewm1972

    Drewm1972 VIP Whale

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    I would say No as well....IMH even tho he lives in Vegas, let's say he made to diamond level but he would need to keep up with gambling/playing games if he wants keep those perks...just because he made the diamond status it doesn't mean ceases would keep offering comps...specially you stating he doesn't gamble. So why take all the risk? Just to get comps? Not a good move. But wish you guys the best of luck if he chose to do it.
     
  10. WichitaMuskie

    WichitaMuskie VIP Whale

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    No need for a host, but he would definitely get a free room with that play. Just go on the website. Granted, it wouldn't be until the next visit (the one AFTER he plays all the VP).
     
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