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Is it a mistake not to pay?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by ReTriggerMe, Jan 30, 2020.

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  1. ReTriggerMe

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    Going to LV for a conference in a few months. Told my employer I can get room.... save money. This will be in addition to my 3-4 pleasure trips per year.

    Am I making a mistake? I never really paid attention to my play beyond my players clubs' status, and win/loss. I see posts on here about average bets, triggering stays, visits.... etc... don't really know how any of that works

    Going to a conference, in meetings all day, events at night, I'll undoubtedly play less. Nice change of pace. But is that going to affect some kind of rating?

    Is the comp'd room relevant? Even if I pay the convention rate for a room... I'm sure I'll play some.... is just playing the trigger, regardless of comp'd or paid room

    I'm not wasting a comp, am I? If that's my last visit for a few months, before another offer is booked, might my offers be less generous based on most recent visit/ comp used?

    Overthinking the whole thing?
     
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    Yes. You're wasting a comp.
     
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  3. Multifarious5

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    Do you have a very small employer where you are worried about the room cost coming out of his/her personal pocket?

    If not, you are going FOR work, and you will have a big part of your day blocked out for work-related training... I would never, ever consider using a comp on a work trip, I'd have the employer pay.

    And FYI, I have a phobia of being moochy. On company paid-lunches I always go for one of the least expensive items, always put less mileage than I should, etc. Big company or small, I never want to chisel or abuse.

    But no way would I be using my own comps unless I get 100% of each day to me.... aka vacation! :)
     
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    This.
     
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  5. ReTriggerMe

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    Ya know, its a small company, but no mom-and-pop, I'm in a Leadership role, and they can definitely afford it. I asked to go, offering that room's no cost to them. I think I might be showing off a bit.... they all know I visit LV frequently and dont pay. And I'm somewhat over-wired not to pay for what can be had for free. After 7 visits at $0 over past 20 months, spending $1000 on three nights (regardless of whose money) kinda bugs me.

    Also, I was a bit concerned it might be perceived by work as an excuse to go to LV if I charged it all to them; although I certainly need no excuse.
     
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    @ReTriggerMe it sounds like you really thought out pros and cons, so if this is the most logical/fair to you, then I think it's the best choice! Also, that makes sense if you asked to go, versus vice versa.

    I just a) and very protective of my comps, and b) get annoyed even THINKING of working in Vegas (oil and h2O for me).

    For your situation? It sounds like the perfect decision. Have a blast and enjoy!!!!
     
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    My thoughts...
    Using the comp and low playing will most likely negatively affect future comps, depending how big of a fish you are.
    Not using the comp and low playing won’t likely affect future comps, at least not as much as above.
     
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  8. JaDubya

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    First - @ReTriggerMe - your employer is lucky to have you. You are cost conscience & have high integrity. Much better than what I’m used to seeing from company executives.

    However...Vegas conferences are usually boondoggles - an excuse to go golfing, drinking, gambling, strip clubs (whatever your vice) disguised as a work event. If, however, the conference is used to meet new (or entertain current) clients (or important colleagues), then it truly is work and the company should pay for that.

    I think if your employer already knows you get comped, it would be difficult to back track from your offer to use a casino comped room as a condition to go. The exception again would be if it truly is work as described above. Maybe ask if you could get a per diem as a way to get partial reimbursement for wasted comps.

    Separately, I don’t really count the educational aspect of a Vegas conference. I’ve been to many where people stay out all night and nod off during or go MIA from the conference the next day.
     
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    Appreciate the feedback

    I need to learn, understand how all aspects of measured play works. I know the basic info.

    New to this board. Its the posts I've read about....
    • Does one visit where a player plays less.... affect future? Or
    • Does a player trigger something that lowers "rating" if they stop in for a bit rather than normal play?
    • The questions asked by others about stopping in for a comp"d meal but playing very little or not at all
    ....that got me thinking

    I was in LV in Sept 2019. And Dec. And Jan two weeks ago. Another trip planned April. Conference is June. I'm not a major player....generally getting 25-40,000 mlife points and 6-8000 Cosmo points a trip.

    I guess I'm risking that my play is much diminished at June visit AND I take a break, dont return for several months, and when 4th quarter 2020 rolls around, comp offers will have dried up . But if I book an Autumn trip before or shortly after June, and return and play as usual, I'll continue to get same offers....

    And, Ive been to LV conferences and participated. Learned stuff.
     
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  10. mikel123

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    I am also in a leadership role at a small company and I would have done the same. In the end, every dollar that is spent on travel affects profitability and therefore comp and bonuses.
     
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    Yes.
    Everyone above has good points. I don't disagree with anyone.
    But, you are overthinking.

    If I was in your situation, I would do the same and not worry about it.
     
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  12. bubbakitty

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    Talk to someone and get a casino rate. You won’t be obligated as if comped 100% I wouldn’t think. Everyone has “that” trip where they don’t play at the level of norm and this is yours. But one trip (if you’ve developed a relationship and pattern of betting) shouldn’t sink the boat; just 4 or 5 gashes in the hull~~:eek:
     
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    Just go and enjoy the trip. I doubt your offers will change much unless you don't play at all. Even so your savings from reduced loss due to less play will likely more than offset any slight dip in your offers.
     
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    Which hotel are you staying at?

    If it's MLife, staying and low playing will affect your offers (whether you're comped or paying casino rate or paying full boat). But it will probably take a couple of cycles for them to catch up.

    If you are on a monthly offer cycle, and your work trip isn't for another couple of months, you will have the opportunity to book an Autumn trip and a Winter trip at your current comp level, prior to the work trip.

    If you low play during the work trip (using the comp or not), you can "cure" that by playing at your normal level on the next trip.

    So in that scenario, you should be able to finesse low playing on the work trip.

    What might happen is, a couple of months following the low play trip, you'll see a dip in your offers. But you already booked 2 future trips. By the time you complete the 2nd one, you'll have fixed your rating.

    • Between now and June, you book trips for Sep and Dec
    • In June you low play
    • In Aug or Sep, you notice your offers dip. You don't really care, because you already booked Sep and Dec under more favorable offers
    • In Sep you go and play your normal level
    • By Dec or Jan your offers should be back to normal
    There's probably a little "smoothing" that happens with your play history, and you could cite history when dealing with a human host, but I've always found everywhere that your most recent stay gets weighed close to 100% by the algos.
     
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    For company travel, I always had the company pick up the tab. I don't mix personal and professional.
    Even if it saved the company to use a comped room, I have no obligation to do so. That would raise
    the expectation that I'd be open to the idea of taking the laptop on vacation to work. Again, not happenin'
     
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  16. mikeinctown

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    Screw that, your employer isn't going to remember this and give you a bigger raise. You don't expect other employees to pay for their own rooms on work trips, do you? Those were your personal room comps, not the office. You are already going to be away from family and friends and working the entire time.

    Don't mix work and personal life, it doesn't work out.
     
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    I had a work conference in Vegas last year and booked a comp room to save my employer the cash. I knew this wouldn't cut into my normal play (I do most of my gambling at night anyways), it got me some free play and F&B credit (I wasn't going to expense every single thing to my company), and I'm an executive for a small company. Saving the company money, as little as it was, is only good for myself come raise/bonus time. I wouldn't hesitate to do it if I thought doing so won't negatively impact my future offers.
     
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    I have been in the same position and used a comp room. Everyone at my work knows I love Vegas and I am sure they know that I look for any excuse to go there. Personally, I just felt that by using my comp and saving them some money would make it easier when I returned for future conferences. Typically, I go on a work-related trip about every other year, then I go 2-3 times per year on my own dime. Through two employers, I have never had one deny me the trip, especially when they know that I will have my own room provided.

    As far as comps go, I am not a high roller, but I like to play low limits for long periods of time. I have never noticed it affecting my rating, but I also play on every break, after the conference, before the conference, when I should be sleeping, etc. You get the idea.
     
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    The company I used to work for had a big conference every year in Vegas. I used to fly (company paid) in a couple days early and use two comp nights before moving to the company paid hotel. That way I could get my gaming fix in and preserve mu ADT and when conference time came I could go to bed early and not suffer at the earlybird sessions every morning. Mostly they put us up at hgher end hotels where the gaming level was too rich for my blood anyhow.
     
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    @ReTriggerMe i agree with @Chuck2009x. If you can book your autumn trip before you go on you June trip, this one low play trip is not going to be a big deal. I’ve become less beholden to the demands of the casino over the past couple years and it has been great. Yes my offers have gone down a little, but I don’t miss anything. Vegas how you want to Vegas. Let the chips fall where they may.

    In the end, I think you’ll be just fine.
     
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