Table Games Interesting Craps Situation

You may have identified the only 2 options that could be "winning" possibilities. We probably all know some winning poker players and while I personally do not know any winning (over the long term) sports bettors I do believe the possibility exists.

 

Just to clarify why I found this to be interesting. The shooter was playing the don't along with 5 others. The rest of the table was playing the pass. My complaint is more that the shooter is hoping for one thing, while others are hoping for the opposite. As long as the outcome is truly random, I'm okay with that. IMO these circumstances call for the casino to make sure that the outcome is indeed random. I don't think the stick called 7 out because he wanted the casino to "win" as the net result was about the same due to the people betting the don't. Hell the casino may have even lost a little by having the seven come rather than the point.

Not enforcing the rules in this situation is akin to not following the rules in a poker game IMO. The casino doesn't care in a poker game who wins, because they get their rake either way, but they need to ensure that the game is equitable, and that the cards dealt are random and not favor one player over another, or allow players to disregard the rules to gain an advantage over another.

It wasn't the end of the world, but I thought it would make for interesting discussion.

 

Video Craps at Hooters has 5X odds and a $2 minimum. The machine itself has foam dice and a computer camera that only registers a read if both dice lay flat, meaning we get consistent dice rules and random rolls.

 

I had something like this happen a while back. I was on a hot craps table at the Flamingo that started off empty but ended up full due to the shooter's great roll. He had the dice for at least an hour if not longer and almost everyone was up at least 2 chip colors on the table. The shooter, who is shooting from the long end of the table, gets the dice and is ready to roll. Keep in mind this table is now packed. As soon as he starts to throw an arm reaches in through the shoulders of everyone playing trying to buy in. Both dice hit this guys arm and fall directly in front of the shooter. I mean you could not have timed it more perfectly if you tried. Of course there is a 7 staring back at everybody but the stickman refuses to call it. He looks at the boxman with this WTF am I supposed to do with that shrug. The boxman can't bring himself to call a 7-out or a no-roll. He calls the pitboss over and asks him to call it, with no explanation of what happened. The pitboss takes one look at the table and immediately calls seven out. Needless to say the table went ballistic.

 

there is no "winning" alternative in a casino, that's the point.
However, if you simply MUST gamble with reckless abandon, you're much better off playing video poker, or even a SLOT MACHINE (last time I checked, for $+ slots you can get decent payback...and ANY bet other than Pass/Dont or 6/8 is at best 5% HE)
attempting to "win" money in a casino is neither "fun", nor "lucrative", (takes discipline and usually if you're that smart and disciplined you could make a better/easier living elsewhere)
And don't think I'm preaching, I can't resist craps...but just know, that if you step up to a crap table, its gonna cost ya, and if you don't like it, tough shit...you came to THEIR game..

 

don't know if I'd trust a computer program over a table game, even with a scenario described within this thread

 

This. That's where I was going with my original argument.

 

I agree you should go to a casino prepared to lose. Consider it entertainment. The buy in is the cost of the entertainment. You don't expect to leave with any of it - if you do, it is a plus. This is the sensible approach. When you go to a broadway show and pay $100 for two hours of entertainment, you don't expect to leave with any of your $100.

HOWEVER...

While every casino game will guarantee that the house will win in the long run, we do not play in the long run. We play in a series of short runs. Even a 2 or 3 hour craps session can have a very significant variance to the expected result. It is possible that in any 2 or 3 hour session, you can win. In fact, it happens every day. Luck determines whether you happen to be at the table betting on the results that happen to be at variance while you are there. And it is luck that makes the game fun, and occasionally, financially lucrative.

 

That's why if I'm standing at the end of the table and dice are shot my way, I take a large step backward while they are in the air. I know that having the dice bounce off my boiler has no outcome (yes it does) at all, but I'd rather pick the die off the floor instead of hearing the bitching from the gamblers around the table.

 

Disagree - to me the "superstition" is when they hit the floor. Seven comes next. If you block them and bounce them back to the table - even if it is a "no roll", it is much better kharma.
Just keep your damn hands away from the felt!

 

No, no, that's only if you don't call "same dice".

 

And I also immediately do a hop bet on the point...to get rid of the hitting floor juju

 

I assume that craps dealers are taught to keep the game moving as much as possible. The more rolls, the more the money the casino takes in over the course of a day. They don't have time to start contesting rolls like the OP describes, and they especially don't have time to weigh whether that particular roll will benefit the casino, one player, the whole table, etc. Just issue the warning and get the dice moving again.

(Of course in our selective memory, we've all seen them slow down a hot table by changing out the chips)