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Injunction granted requiring Uber/Lyft to stop classifying drivers independent contractors in Calif

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  1. vegasvstr

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    I would guess that will be the end of rideshare in California.
     
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    I'm gonna need you to swing by the office and pick up your required uniforms and next week's schedule. Then you can talk to HR about the insurance and 401(k). I'm also gonna need you to start thinking about when you want to take the ten days of vacation, that you'll be eligible for next year. Or were you interested in a part-time position? :eek:
     
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    This doesn't make sense. These drivers work if and when they want and that is one of the federal tax requirements for an independent contractor - similar to real estate agents.
     
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    I'm surprised the Nasdaq didn't plummet further after this announcement. I'm also of the opinion that they're ICs based on the ability to work wherever, whenever. Curious opinion here, but not surprising that it came from California.
     
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    In other words, you are now a cab driver.
     
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    That was my thought.
     
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    They were gigged.
     
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    The Lyft spokesperson said “Drivers do not want to be employees, full stop"... I'd be curious to hear what actual rideshare drivers have to say about this. I know a handful of rideshare drivers myself and to the best of my knowledge none of them would be opposed to having employee status. Obviously it's not good for the company if their drivers are classified as employees... but it seems like a biased narrative if we're not hearing it from the other side.

    Even if it can be argued from a legal perspective, I don't really agree with the employee classification personally. I actually think this would make a great case for a form of unionization to provide a certain standard of protection.
     
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    I actually know two Lyft drivers that just do it for spare money since they have full time employment. They would both be opposed. One problem for drivers with 'employment' classification is that they become basic cab drivers. Employers have the right to dictate work hours and schedules and these drivers, many that do it part-time, would lose the flexibility because as an employee, they are forced to work as directed by their employer. I'm going to follow this one out of curiosity.
     
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    Are cab drivers employees in LV or anywhere else? The ones I have known personally (in Arizona and northern California) were self employed. They either owned their own cab or leased one by the day from a cab company and whatever fares they get were theirs. They were not paid a salary and in fact could lose money.
     
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    That's great insight... and it makes total sense. The people I know do not have full-time employment, so it's obviously the opposite scenario for them.

    Admittedly I know nothing about employment laws (especially in the US) and am not a lawyer... but can't people still be employees on "zero hour" contracts in which they work without set hours? Of course, the issue you're describing is to do with Uber/Lyft's ability to demand they work at such-and-such times... but isn't that something they could choose not to enforce or selectively enforce? I.e., "You're our employee and we can technically demand when you can work, but given the spirit of this model we will permit you to set your own hours.". I feel like that would alleviate the downside for those with full-time jobs.
     
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    Here is a link to a Bloomberg article. Uber and Lyft have 10 days to appeal.
     
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    Pretty sure this only applies to California, other states likely have much different laws
     
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    This seems specifically related to California's AB5 bill that took effect in January. Looked over that and I'm not sure they will win.
    I just saw they are working to add a proposition to the ballot that would them, so it might go away if that passes.

    Also read Uber is expecting to lose 1 billion $ this year overall :blink:
     
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    I don't know if they ALL are, but yes, I believe most are employees of the cab companies in Las Vegas. The companies (or at least some of them) do offer some benefits, but I'm not sure of the details. Generally speaking though, the drivers I've talked to are not overly impressed with the pay/benefits.
     
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