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If Vegas is so Awful, Why Do You Go?

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by smartone, Jul 8, 2024.

  1. smartone

    smartone Sunshine Pumper

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    Here’s a variation of several threads and a question I’m sincerely interested in your thoughts on.

    If Vegas (high prices, poor service, deteriorating odds, big crowds, etc.) is so “awful” (my word… maybe not yours), why is it that so many of you can’t seem to go back fast enough?

    For those of you who say, “Well… I no longer go, I’ve voted with my feet,” which I hear on VMB a LOT… why do you spend so much time on the Vegas Message Board telling us that in various threads?

    Here’s my thinking and I’m honestly not trying to be a smartass… I’d really like some insight here.

    EXAMPLE: I hated the movie Dune. I know many, many people enjoyed it, so much so they made a sequel. I don’t watch the movie monthly, hoping my feelings towards it will change AND I don’t seek out Dune fan sites on the internet and post about how much I think their movie sucks.

    I’ve said many times, “I’m not a complex or deep individual.” If I like or enjoy something, I want to be around it, do it often or experience it more. When I don’t, I tend to move on. Having been in business and in the situations where something I did enjoy has deteriorated to the point that I no longer like it, I often will inform someone in a position to do something about why I feel that way. If my concerns aren’t received in the spirit intended, I move on. I don’t go on a crusade to find other like-minded people and commiserate. Maybe I should?

    Now I know most posters here visit Las Vegas and are pretty adamant it’s not what it once was for them. Some things they still enjoy, some things they don’t. The exchange of thoughts and experiences is valuable to most VMBers and is just solid dialog. I’m not talking about that. I also realize it’s not a zero sum game, either love it or hate it.
     
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  2. zoobrew

    zoobrew VIP Whale

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    Because the same could be said of most travel places, ask anyone who has gone to Disney recently. So if your choice is LV or no travel at all, what do you do?
    I do find myself going to Beau Rivage more than LV, but that is more a case of air travel hassle to LV compared to BR.
     
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  3. Sgt_Shultz

    Sgt_Shultz If the phone doesn't ring it's me

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    While I don't think I'm your target market (at least I hope) for this question I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway

    1. The hope that if enough people complain long and loud enough things may change for the better

    2. Misery loves company
     
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  4. vegas superfan

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    You know how hitting a life changing jackpot is nearly impossible but you still hope for it? Gambler logic = applying the same hopes that Vegas will revert to its old self.

    That said, I currently don't have a Vegas trip booked at all for the first time in decades maybe? And I still read this board partially out of habit, mostly because the information is still useful for me to make the decision to book or not book.
     
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  5. pressitagain

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    Sometimes it’s the Venting Message Board but most of the time it’s Vegas Message Board….
     
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  6. ffejry

    ffejry #1 Bears Fan

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    It is still a cheap vacation with comps (even rising resort fees) and flights. My upcoming trip was about 250 for 4 nights for flights and hotels. That's still good value.

    I enjoy the escape from reality. I know Vegas so well that I can get around the high prices of food and whatever. I make sure that I keep a list on my spreadsheet for food specials.

    I enjoy sitting at a bar playing VP or Keno (for Mom) and getting drinks in the process. I enjoy spending a few hours walking around, looking for things that I've never seen before or observed before. I enjoy spending a few hours at the pool.

    Overall, while Vegas is not the same that it was for me 18 years ago, I still enjoy it and can adapt to the ever changing things such as rising costs.

    It is the familiarity that brings me back.

    I've also made some friends out there including from here on VMB.

    If/when my comps disappear, then I'll definitely won't be back as often.
     
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  7. EzE

    EzE VUP Guppy

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    Just cause we're complaining, doesn't mean we 'hate' it. Is it not fair to complain when your dinners now cost 30% more than a year ago? Yes, its that bad at some places.
    The CET $100 Celebration Dinner used to cover a good steak dinner with all the trimmings and a drink. Now I call them Celebration Lunches.
    Paytables and Slot Holds have gotten much worse too, but so has most places and in some cases even worse.
    Vegas was the last bastion of the gambler, but I fear what it will be in the a decade. Other regions have started to cut back on things like backend comps heavily. Some regions have near zero VP available. Many have no free alcohol, and most are non smoking. Vegas still has lots, just its getting worse and if it continues eventually many of us complainers will reach our limit and our feet will do the talking.
     
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  8. wtwde

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    If you know where to go, what to do and how to plan your spending, it's still a far less expensive option than most other vacation destinations.

    We just got back from a 6-night stay with 4 of the nights comped, plus some resort credit each place. Was it a free trip? No. But it was a lot less than paying full freight, and significantly less than trying to go to, say, Disney or the beach or some other resort destination. We're not high rollers by any means, but we play enough at several places to generate enough offers to get us back.

    But like other posters have said - if the comps dry up, the appeal of Vegas diminishes significantly.
     
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  9. huskermike

    huskermike Dice Enthusiast

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    Disney is the biggest example for my family. We’ve cut our trips about in half as the systems they use for rides are crazy expensive and make planning ahead rough. You just can’t buy yourself out of it being a hassle like you used to be able to but we still go. I don’t enjoy it nearly as much as we used to.
    Vegas is a totally different situation. You can still get all the great service and rules anyone used to get. It’s just a lot more expensive. No place in the world has the variety and quality of restaurants in such a small area IMO. Lots of fun stuff and shows, sporting events, etc. that are better offerings than ever. Again, they’re just really expensive compared to other locations. Prices are typically double what they are in areas in the Midwest for comedy shows which I like to go to. I’m not complaining at all. I think even with these issues Vegas is still the best overall vacation value for people that like to gamble by a wide margin.

    ETA- I just got back from a vacation in SC where every meal I had for my family of 3 was less than a typical solo dinner in Vegas for comparison’s sake.
     
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  10. Basil

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    Because the internet has made "yucking others' yums" the new (inter)national pasttime? I've asked myself the same question many times, and am at the point of ignoring the opinions of certain posters because they are so determined to hate certain things they become overly biased in the negative.
     
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  11. NotFromConcentrate

    NotFromConcentrate Enough is enough. Somebody needs to tell her…

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    Although I'm definitely not of the mind that Vegas is "awful", it's definitely worse than it once was. I still go for what I'd say are three main reasons off the top of my head...

    1. Weather/Climate: I am not exaggerating when I say I live for the dry heat and the taste of the desert air. I can certainly get that in other places, though Vegas is the most accessible and approachable option for doing so.

    2. Inexpensive/Comped Hotels: Are they perfect or the absolute best anywhere in the world? For the most part, no. Are they free or cheap in connection with gambling I'd be doing anyway? Yes. This makes a great economic case for going to Vegas IMO.

    3. Food: Even if comps are tight, gambling odds are poor, and the place is over-run with non-gambling tourists who are driving prices of everything up, I'd personally consider Vegas to be the "Food Capital" of the United States. No shortage of great new places to try, or known great places to return to.
     
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  12. LowRollinLarry

    LowRollinLarry Low-Roller

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    I think you see this on most any message board. Long time members grow out of the shared hobby or interest that first drew them to the board. Or maybe they experienced a divorce, retirement and subsequent shift to a fixed income, a job loss, or other life event that caused them to be unable to afford the hobby/interest anymore. Instead of leaving the board, these folks tend to stick around and cling to their perceived status — often veering toward belittling or derisive commentary. It’s sad, but it happens.
     
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  13. ffejry

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    Another thing that I want to add...

    I very much doubt that voting with our feet will change things for the better.

    Vegas is going to draw all kinds of crowds all year long. From the Raiders to Golden Knights to rodeos to poker tournaments to conventions and upcoming baseball and eventually basketball teams. There's not going to be a shortage of crowds. Vegas will adapt and many of these people will be the rare visitors, who don't mind splurging for a vacation. The list goes on and on.

    For us regular visitors, it's a different story, obviously. We all experienced the old days of Vegas, but need to accept that it'll never come back.

    I remember when I could get a football beer for like $9 initially, then refills were between 4 to 7 dollars. That isn't coming back. I'm actually not even sure the last time I saw a football beer, lol.
     
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  14. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Vegas is different now than x years back. But there are few things I view as a zero-sum game, so the value and interest Vegas still affords us continues and it is directly reflected in how often we go there; it isn't dead to us. Let's look at Pebble Beach. Do I fervently wish it cost a lot less to play? Hell yes. I don't hate it, I've not consigned it to the dung heap, not even close.

    As for VMB, some of us have been here a very long time. It is our office "water cooler." I and we have friends here real-world and cyber. Not seeing the need to leave because Vegas might not be what I once thought it was, and there is plenty of interesting commentary beyond the world of gambling/Vegas, and some of the Vegas stuff is still fun and relevant.
     
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  15. vegaskid74

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    I think this pretty much captures it for those of us who complain some of the time (option 1) or relentlessly (option 2). For those who do nothing but complain, I absolutely agree with @smartone , they need to find something more productive to do with their time. Obviously there's a reason the saying "misery loves company" has been around in one form or another for thousands of years though, so that is a very powerful impulse for many.

    I personally think most of us "complainers" fall into camp one however, hoping that if enough of us voice our dissatisfaction on a forum that has become as large and influential as VMB, someone with the power to make positive changes might actually listen.

    Like most things in life, the challenge is to find the proper balance between being a Sunshine Pumper who chides others for being the least bit critical about the town we love, and the Negative Nelly who can't seem to find a single positive thing to say. Constructive criticism is fine, relentless negativity does become tiresome.
     
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    vegaskid74 VIP Whale

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    Couldn't agree more with this. Even if the day comes when I swear off Vegas forever, I'll still be here on VMB on a daily basis. Tons of great folks and good conversation here.
     
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  17. EastCoastVegasFan!

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    I think a lot of us are hopeful it will come back to normal, and many of us have built friendships on this site. The drop off from 2014 to 2024 is really bad, but like I said, hopeful.
     
  18. comfortablynumb

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    I hope I'm not a big Vegas complainer, although I will be the first to admit it's more expensive than it was even a year ago. So, I don't go to Vegas as much as I used to, but this board is a fun community and I also get most of my Vegas news here.
     
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  19. smartone

    smartone Sunshine Pumper

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    How do I change the “moniker” below my avatar? I want to change it from VIP Whale to Sunshine Pumper! I love it!
     
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  20. mjames1229

    mjames1229 # of visits includes only trips w/ hotel stays

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    There are lots of VMB subcategories that apply as well...

    1) "Too much non-gambling Vegas" (F1, NFL, NHL, maybe MLB)
    2) "My VP comps are being cut" (How dare casinos not want to open the world to people who grow roots at a 98%+ game for three days?)
    3) "No more coffee shops" (I understand that can fall into "If Vegas is awful...", but seems to have its own sub-genre of commenters)
    4) (and my current favorite) "Too many upscale resorts with 'nobody' there" (first, nobody will be intentionally building the next Western or O'Sheas, and second, "nobody" is in the eye of the beholder and margins for each profit center are unknown outside of the Inner Circle).

    I have certainly stopped reading some posters and have blocked many others. I risk losing some of the good stuff from those posters, but when the bitching goes overboard, its the only way to shut it down.



    Now in fairness, there is one topic I harp about... but its a universal topic. Its the absolute dearth of proper customer service. Read any of my trip reports and I sprinkle complaints about customer service in there (good and bad). But I work hard to make two distinctions that goes to the OP's topic,

    1) I keep complaining to within my own trip report. I don't dump them into every topic unless the topic is about customer service issues, and
    2) I try to also include an example of great customer service to offset the bad, usually with a comment like "See, (Business X)? I had a problem at (Business Y) who resolved it perfectly."
     
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