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If I played Bigger, what kind of comps would I get?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Bondy3, Oct 17, 2020.

  1. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    I see a lot of people talking about dont play for comps and there is a lot of truth to that, I have lost $500 because I wanted a free $15 food item more times than I want to think about.

    but Im curious what are the comps that you would get at different levels, for the sake of consistency lets say I play table games (Craps or BJ)

    I stay at places like MSS, not really high enough budget for the strip

    I rarely play over $25 avg bet (1 green) maybe 2 greens if I'm feeling rich.

    What do you get if you have larger average bet? I know there are plenty of people who gamble with $100 avg bets (or more), Im curious what you get for such high action, do you just get more Free Play? better room? or are there cool VIP types of things that you get that me as a low roller wouldn't know about? if you play higher do you get a loss rebate? Im curious of the comp world of the higher rollers.

    What average bet do you need to qualify for a host?

    What are the levels of average bets and what do you get when you start playing at the next levels?

    ie: if I have $100 (black), avg bet what would I get? What about $500? (purple) as my average bet? Im just really curious what the casinos do to attract the higher mid level players
     
  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Its hard to answer a question this general because there are other variables. There is a big difference in the HA between craps and BJ. So which game? And how do you play them? How long are you playing? Also, it depends on where you play. A hundred dollar bet goes farther at some resorts than others. Same is true for hosts at table games. Some Strip properties, they are happy to take on a $100 bettor (although there is not a lot they will do for you at that level above your corporate offers). Other resorts, you probably want an average bet of $200 or $300 before you can expect a host to do anything.

    As for the benefits you might receive playing at a high level, I don't think there are any secrets. The various players through the years here have written about them. True high rollers (meaning big players but not whales) can expect the best suites (and sometimes a villa), transport to wherever they need, all their food and drinks comps, front row seating to shows, meet and greets with the show stars, loss rebates, airfare reimbursement, maybe a private plane, shopping sprees, butler service, invites to other events outside vegas (e.g., sports events, golf outings, hunting trips, dinners, etc.), spa treatments, event tickets, and so on. They get FP too at amounts that sound really big, but frankly, aren't usually more than a few average bets for those players. Now, the true whales get all that and more. I have been told some absurd stories of whale requests from employees at various resorts.

    As for what the resorts do to attract those bigger players, that's why they have hosts. Some resorts clearly try to establish reputations as the resorts for bigger players (Wynn, V/P, Bellagio, CP, MGM Grand etc). But they pay the hosts to help establish those relationships and keep the players coming back to their properties. So there is no one size fits all. A good host works to determine what a customer wants and then tailors an offer or a trip to lure the customer into the casino. Back in the days when some of the casinos considered me a "strong" player, I would get regular calls and emails from hosts at a few properties making sure I knew about certain upcoming events or opportunities and offering to take care of me if I would come out for them (those hosts were very good and knew what would pique my interest). These days I am more of a middle roller and I rarely get those calls (although the calls have resumed the past few months, but that's because the casinos are hurting and my middle-rolling play looks more attractive now than it did a year ago).

    Read the TRs from some of the bigger players on the Board and you can learn more :thumbsup:
     
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  3. Golfer

    Golfer Low-Roller

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    Downtown? There is some truth that there is only so much to comp. Not as many amenities as the strip in most areas. So I’ll speak briefly to Golden Nugget. The times I’ve played bigger, I’ve gotten a couple of things agreed to upfront because I didn’t want to be under comped. I’ve arranged Kobe beef at Vic and Anthony’s. They’ve paid for airfare. They’ve gotten me boxing tickets to events at competing strip properties. They’ve comped strip restaurants. I’ve played the golf course that MGM owns.

    Without getting too specific, I’d guess you get most, not all, of the above at $500 per hand, possibly lower.

    And at that level, or higher, you can get a smaller shoe game, and arrange a loss rebate. Essentially a discounted marker if that’s the direction someone goes.

    Dial it back a bit. At $100 per hand for fours hours you’d get a Rush Tower room. Most food. What I mean by most is average meals in their restaurants.

    Over that a suite.

    Over that a two story spa suite.

    I’ve heard $50 players at GN get taken care of. I have no experience, so to what extent I don’t know. I’d assume every place downtown would do something for $50 table players.

    That’s baccarat. And that’s down town that only has town places, one really, to play that. Although there will soon be Circa. I have a thread on here about what Circa told me when they reached out.

    I also really can’t speak to accurately about rooms or free play. I’ve never personally cates too much about rooms, and other things are mister important to me than free play. Free play is really fool’s gold my opinion, and from a business perspective. Player who take too much free play are getting ripped off. Better to monetize that upfront.

    Last time I okayed GN it was pretty pedestrian play for downtown, so the above is somewhat dated. I did recently play Sahara . Sahara is kinda sorta strip. And is strip with at least one of its restaurants and their rooms. Actually they blow away a lot of the usual suspects people on here hush over. But the point, you need to play bigger there.

    My CET experience is not extensive, but you’ll get noticed starting at $100, and it goes up from there.

    My Mlife experience is limited to MGM Grand and Aria, and I prefer the former. Other people on here can speak tk this better than I. (Eta Mirage)

    I played baccarat at Cosmo one time. And I won fairly large in a very short period of time. There weren’t happy, and I personally will never go back. Others have different experiences.

    All of this is within the last 2-3 years, and things very well might have changed.
     
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  4. Hogman

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    I’m a $125-$150 avg bettor at craps. I can always get free rooms at all CET properties, get monthly room offers from V/P. Can usually get rooms at mlife properties. I can always get rooms downtown at GN.

    I can get some backend comps at GN and sometimes at V/P.

    I get some free play $100 to 200
     
  5. JulianC

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    ADT. Theo. Time on device (TOD).

    Think in terms of theo first. Use that, combined with what the casino side would need to pay on your behalf to the hospitality side for the hospitality-based comps (hotel room, food & beverage, other hospitality amenities) and you can estimate what kind of comps to reasonably expect for your play. Also, make sure you are not a hit-and-run player. You only deserve to get good comps if you give the casino a fair chance to get your money. (If you bring up this topic with a casino host, a good host will be 100% honest with you and agree with that sentiment. A not-as-good host will, at best, give the old soft-shoe dance recitation of "it depends on your average bet and length of play" without really explaining how things work.)

    Don't worry so much about qualifying for a host. The second you worry specifically about that, your money will become more scared than ever -- and your play patterns would likely change to the point where you become far less capable of having fun through your gaming action.

    Apologies for this not being the answer you wanted -- which would be along the lines of, "Bet two black chips on the pass line and they will comp you a suite and pay for all of your meals." I will be providing a more thorough and comprehensive answer later to fill in anything that others have not yet mentioned (and there is already a lot in this thread).
     
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  6. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    When you say $125-$150 is that spread out over numbers or is that in a single bet? Also does it matter in the eyes of the casino?
     
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    Southpaw33 Low-Roller

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    I would average bet 50-75 at blackjack for 6 hours a day at Planet Hollywood and had a host. That got me free rooms all CET properties and my host would get me about $250 freeplay and comp out my food on the backend for a few hundred without an issue. That would also get me invited to the super bowl and néw years eve parties.
     
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  8. Hogman

    Hogman VIP Whale

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    I’m a place bettor I usually place the point for $25 to $30 and bet $108 to $135 across the board.
     
  9. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    in all likelihood,
    :eek:< the amount you lost playing bigger. ^1

    figuring it out is still fun though, as long as you're having fun...:wink2:


    ^1: see Theo


    :whistle:and whatever @JulianC says..
     
    unlikely, but possible?
    Holy moly, it's a go!
  10. mrem3200

    mrem3200 VIP Whale

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    I always stay at The Cromwell, average bet is usually around $140-$150 and I play craps and or BJ for around 5 hours per day. I can get the free room, limo to/from the airport, a small ($100-$200) amount of freeplay and a few hundred of room charges taken off at the end.
     
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  11. Legion

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    TI just sent me offers from Sept play. Don’t remember exactly what my average bet was.. 300 soundsright could of been higher. I’m getting old I don’t remember. I played in HL double deck.. About 4.5 hrs if I recall right. Limo to and from, 500 in match play and tower suite. Still waiting on the D where average was a solid 275 plus I think at Mgm casinos average was also 300 plus. 475 at Paris and a loss of 7k and total rewards is offering free rooms no food or suites. I’ll update when other offers come in
     
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  12. Golfer

    Golfer Low-Roller

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    This would be an interesting comparison to me since TI and The D have less things to comp. Also interesting since you play a low HA game.
     
  13. alexlifeson

    alexlifeson Low-Roller

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    Since I need to lose weight, playing Bigger is not an option for me. I need to learn to play Smaller.
     
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  14. finsfanscott

    finsfanscott Low-Roller

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    I could be wrong (and please update if I am) but I suspect your offers from TheD will be relatively tame, along the lines of free room and $50 food and match play. You'll likely have to call a host to get anything else (suite at the Gate or TheD, limo transport, etc.) upfront. I've been very pleased with my host there, especially in terms of backend comps.

    Wouldn't want you to be disappointed if you receive a lame mailer and think "this is it?"

    (edited to add) For me, the biggest comp is an invite to watch VGK hockey in the suite. Can't put a price on that (well someone probably could and it's a number I wouldn't spend on myself). This is the kind of thing downtown hotels do to compete with the strip for this (more or less) $200/hand blackjack player. That is never going to show up on a mailer, gotta call and ask.
     
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  15. Legion

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    Finsfanscott, no chance a host reaches out to me first? Heading back for March Madness, that’s a MgM trip. Maybe my May trip I’ll give the D a call. Thanks for the info.
     
  16. bubbakitty

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    If I played Bigger, what kind of comps would I get

    I’ll bite...bigger...:p but only what’s on the menu mind you. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. eliza

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    I believe my ticket to the VGK v. PIT game in the D suite was around $350. A price I happily paid. Although, I'm a little miffed that others with similar play to me have managed to get comped tickets - but still worth it considering that tickets in the upper bowl were going for at least $150 without transportation, booze, food, and the much more comfortable seating in the D lounge.
     
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  18. SoCalMon

    SoCalMon High-Roller

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    It depends on points and how long your playing for slots. For tables, its also time but they want bigger bets too unless your going to be there for hours playing on lower bets. Really though, the lower you are betting anywhere, the longer you have to play. The higher you are betting, the shorter time you have to play but NOT TOO SHORT. Find out how much it is per point if your playing slots, find out how much it is per point of your playing video poker, and for tables you have to talk to people who get comps from playing tables to find out what they get and how long they are playing to earn that comp, etc. I play slots so I focus on just staying alive and playing. If I worry about comps and points, I have a bad trip.

    What I have noticed based on all my times playing at all casinos (slots).....the longer you play at that specific casino and the more points you get, the better the comps. Playing 4 hours is the minimum you want to have in mind at a casino. Any less than that you are risking hurting your comps. It does not matter how much you spend of your actual money. If it cannot last (if you cannot find a good paying machine that will keep you on for example), Thats my experience. I always bring the same amount on average when I go to casinos and offers hurt when the machines are not paying and I am not doing well.
     
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