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Identity 'complimentary' and 'complimentary companion' room nights

Discussion in 'Comps' started by NickyJ, Jan 17, 2017.

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  1. NickyJ

    NickyJ Low-Roller

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    I know these Identity tier benefits are subject to availabilty. I asked about using a complimentary room night for an upcoming trip and my dates were blacked out. I was told these nights do not impact comps, but have heard conflicting information. Similar to frequent flyer miles, their value can depend on how restrictive the dates are and how they are factored into comp calculations. I'm just curious to get any feedback from Cosmo regulars on your experience in using these nights. Thanks!
     
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    I have only had issues on huge nights like EDC Saturday, Super Bowl Saturday etc. The nights that are like $400-$500 plus
     
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    I've never asked straight up, but if you are talking about the nights that are rewards for reaching a certain tier level, I would expect 99% that your own tier nights are not "freebies." They expect play and those nights factor into your ADT. Those nights give you the flexibility to book an extended stay or nights outside of a regular marketing offer.

    The companion nights, I suspect, really are freebies and don't ding your ADT. I don't think it's realistic of the casino to expect people will double their play in order to cover a room their friend is staying in, when it would be cheaper to just pay for it with cash.

    Example:
    • I do $4,000 coin-in a day, so theo is $400, and if I don't hit a handpay, I expect to lose as much as $800. That gets me a room with a comp value of $133 and a rack rate of $200.
    • If I book the companion room and it counts in my ADT, I have to double everything. Why would I bust my budget and lose an additional $800 to keep my ADT clean, instead of just paying $200 for the room?
     
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  4. NickyJ

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    Chuck, what you say makes sense.

    But, you can earn tier status just with hotel spend, right? So, in that case, no 'play' would be expected to cover the complimentary night. It seems like players would be disadvantaged compared to non-players, whose rooms would be a freebie.

    Regarding flexibility, say you're a Platinum level player, you're more than likely able to get an extra room night when you want one. For those players then, the complimentary nights are more of a non-benefit, benefit if it's not really free.
     
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    Players are disadvantaged due to gambling being a negative expectation proposition. However, they do have a chance to win. If you earn tier status from hotel spend, don't gamble in any meaningful amount, and therefore don't care about marketing offers, then you don't care about ADT in the first place and you're free of any obligation to play. But you also have no chance to win.


    At a certain level of play, I'd say you're right. If you play enough so they'll comp you 4 nights on an offer, but your bankroll is also enough so you can basically stay as long as you want and get additional nights comped back end, then your own tier benefit nights aren't that much of a benefit. I guess the benefit is, they're still upfront comp nights; you have the option of no-playing 'em if you don't mind taking the ADT hit and its effect on future offers.
     
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    I just hope people on this board know it's not smart to play for comps. If you're playing of course you the players card and get all you can. But when I see folks here mentioning ADT and worrying if they don't give the casino enough play, to me it seems to take the fun out of playing. That's just my opinion of course.
     
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    It's important for someone who is new to not overplay beyond their budget in order to get comps or especially to chase tier status.

    But it's also important to know how comps work, where the lines are,etc.

    And for people who play comfortably at a compable level, and use comp offers in trip planning, it IS important to track your play, especially if you don't go often. If you've read a bunch of accounts from people who do $X coin in a day, and you read what they get for offers and it's consistent across their descriptions, and you're $100 coin-in short of that, you'd be nuts not to go ahead and do that additional coin-in. Same with tier status - if you're 20 TCs short of Diamond at CET or 100 short of Gold at Cosmo, and it's your last trip of the "player year," it's nuts not to do the relatively small amount of remaining coin in (or spend) to unlock the tier benefits.
     
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  8. Multifarious5

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    This is a GREAT synopsis. "Chasing comps," to me is playing much more than you would/should, going after a carrot that you have no idea where it dangles. Or massively increasing gaming spend just to get minor freebies.

    Strategizing comps is looking at your total trip spend, sticking to your budget, but making sure you maximize your rewards for money you'd already spend. (And at places you want to stay...no point getting comps at a place you hate.)

    I am intimately aware of my comps and my numbers, but I stick to a pretty strict budget. If I find a place that gives me less comps for my spend, I don't increase my spend, I find a new home that finds value in my spend level, and "COMPensates" it accordingly.

    Find a comp model that fits what makes you happy. I like to focus my play at the hotel I am staying at (play where I stay), so mlife/cosmo works great for me. If you want to bounce around, absolutely do it! Just either look at "bounce-friendly" models (CET) or pay outright.

    Finally, Chuck was absolutely right on looking at the value of your play. Trying to go from 2000 coin-in daily, to 7000 coin-in daily just to get a free room is a bad, bad idea. BUT If you're really, really close to a threshold that wins you way more comps, like jumping from sterling to gold at cosmo (2 free nights, 2 free companion nights plug no resort fees plus late checkout/early check in, plus bogo wicked spoon), it would be crazy not to. (And by really close, this still means you can do it with only a very small extra amount, AND you can afford that extra amount. If your amount needed is $50, but you can't afford $50 more dollars, don't do it.)

    I guess a good analogy is southwests companion fare. If you don't spend anywhere close to the 100k points to get it, it's crazy to increase your spend to chase it. (Chasing comps.)

    But, if you're at 98k annual points, and can get companion fare (100k annual points) by just switchin a few bills to your sw card to get companon fare, it would be crazy NOT to pursue it.

    Basically, treat comps like Credit card rewards. Don't spend more to get them, but find a card that rewards your playing/spending style the most.
     
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