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Table Games I watched a guy NOT win $20,000 today

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Rush, Dec 28, 2016.

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  1. Rush

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    At my local in Green Bay playing craps. A guy buys in for $2,000 and bets $440 inside. He also bets $400 on the Don't Pass. I watched roll after roll where the shooter would hit his point and take down the guy's $400, and then seven out and take down the $440, or a good portion of it.

    In a half hour, the guy is buying in for another $2000. Same shit. Get a few hits, but never make any money. Buys in for another $2000.

    Now, he spent about 4 hours at the table. He fought them back and forth with the last $2000, and in that whole time, he took his bets down FOUR times! So, four times, he made a little scratch. Here's the rub.....The one time he pulls down after the shooter has rolled about 12 times. He puts about $500 in his rack for profit on this shooter. The shooter proceeded to go on and throw for an hour! I bought in for a thousand, and was down to $150 when this guy started his roll. When he was done, I had $1100 in my rack. I started small, pressed my bets up to $50-75, and then would come back down and start over. I did this cycle about three times. The whole time, the big spender is standing there watching number after number hit, with no money in the game. He stood there for at least 45 minutes.

    My question is: How in the hell do you not jump back in!?!? At least for small potatoes! This casino has a $500 limit on place bets, but I figure he could have made at least $20,000 in that time!

    He did finally stay on a couple of shooters later on down the road, and he cashed out $7000, so I guess, "good for him", but I wanted to cry watching him just stand there!
     
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    Played today, and Won $1100 on a roll early, and walked. I hit the All Tall/All/All Small for two bucks a pop, and then came back at five a pop and had the 3 and 11 left when I hit the seven. It was the only seven I rolled. I hit a ton of numbers, and had about $600 on the table when I sevened out. I hit some nice hardway bets, too. These are the rolls that make me go back!
     
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  3. smerrian

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    Craps is SOOO great when you win....and SOOO shitty when you lose.
     
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    The guy probably has his own system that he swears has treated him well overall.
    Don't we all.
    Maybe you caught him on a bad game. More than likely at one time it was the other way around and he couldn't believe other people were no getting in on the action.
     
  5. Rush

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    He was there for 4 hours, and I see him there often enough. It's just how he plays I guess. I'm not overly shocked, though. The table was packed, and I was the only one pressing my bets. The people in Green Bay play very tight. Hell, the guy with the hour long roll didn't make any money! I saw him the next day and he said he was "a little down for the night". Simply amazing.
     
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    I popped in for my 5th straight win today. Was down to $200 on a thousand dollar buy-in, when I got the dice and went on a heater. At the end of the roll, I was up $200 on the day and walked. All day, everyone got the AS/All/AT to the 2 and 12, and couldn't get the job done. I had four straight rolls where I had everything but the horn numbers. It was fines though, as I was getting paid on every hit. My last roll, I got to the 2 and 12, and hit a seven on a come out. Set it back up, and got to 2 and 12 again before seven out. Was a nice 30 minute roll.

    I think I am done til Vegas next month.
     
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    There is a $5 craps table at Bally's Wild Wild West in Atlantic City, but unfortunately it's not always staffed. But we stopped by on Friday before NYE and the table was packed. Watched a shooter throw two sevens on the come out then he established 9 as his point. Proceeded to throw for about 15 minutes while making four 8's and two 6's and a finally hit his point. He got the dice again and threw a 5 and held on for another 10 mins. before going out.

    I'm a neophyte, but it's fun as hell when when you're hitting.
     
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    I need to be not be judgmental of people who don't press.
     
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    When players talk about pressing they usually mean on place bets. Why do so many craps players ignore come and odds bets and insist on the high vig place or buy bets that pretty much guarantee losing sessions? The question shouldn't be about pressing, but about the merits of making those high vig place bets at all.

    My form of pressing is about how many come bets to make ( typically up to 3 numbers "working" but if the table appears tepid I might play only pass&odds to begin a session - until I have identified which shooters I want to back and which I will just sit out on ). I first up my odds to the max if I have started say at 3x-4x-5x on a 10x odds table. Then start to press my pass and come bets up from there. But I press based on winnings, not parlaying right away and taking down no profits.

    I have rarely played with anyone making all those high vig bets that doesn't get cleaned out sooner or later. They never seem to survive long enough to get to a hot roll...
     
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    The dice can turn hot/cold on any roll so I can't blame the guy really. He was way down. There was just a much of a chance that he'd jump back in and get his ass handed to him again. Somewhat similar thing happened when my son and I played last month. He got up $100 and quit (college student, that $100 was a lot for him). I kept playing and the next shooter had a great roll. My son wanted to jump back in a few times but I told him just as I said above, the dice have no memory, they can turn cold as fast as they turn hot.

    It's interesting to watch how people play, what their "system" is. I see a lot of don't bettors place points or hardways. And of course a lot of pass line bettors do the C/E. Personally I don't like hedging.
     
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    I haven't played in GB in ages. When I go to Packer games I figure the place is packed so I just stick to POTO (I'm about 15 minutes from there) in Milwaukee. What are the minimums at the craps tables there? How much odds can you take? How many tables do they have?
     
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    $5 table with 5xs odds. $500 max wagers.

    2 tables, but one is almost never open anymore.
     
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    I'd rather choose my number. I want the 6/8 for my "come bet", so I place it instead. Sure, you might win that measly $5 on a come out 7, but I really don't care about that piddly bet. Plus, once a point is established, you need to hit it again. I only need to hit it once. You put your five bucks on the line, and back it with $25 odds, and you win the same $35 that I do for my $30 wager. I don't understand why people have such a fit over that.
     
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    If you are ever in the Milwaukee area POTO has 6 tables, there are always at least 2 open (maybe not at 4 am on a weekday though) and usually 4. I've never seen all 6 open but I'm never there on a Friday/Saturday night. 10X odds. Good dealers for the most part.
     
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  15. parlayboy

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    It isn't just the 7/11 winning on the minimum(measely $5 you mentioned) line bets, it is that you "give up" 1.44% vig on that small bet ( winners and losers combined ) in order to "qualify" for the bigger odds bet at 0 vig.

    Since the dice have no memory, this inane idea that it is somehow "harder" to repeat a number before a 7 than it is to "hit it once" is one of the many gamblers fallacies that holds no merit whatsoever. For instance, there is a 1/6 chance of a 7 on any roll. That doesn't mean that 5 rolls without a 7 now suddenly makes it "greater than 1/6" on that 6th roll. Such fallacies and departures from the law of independent trials are what make so many gamblers irrational bigger losers than they have to be.

    The difference is obviously that getting $30 on a $25 odds bet is true odds returned. Getting back $35 on $30, instead of the true odds that would return you $36, is where you are playing at a bigger disadvantage. Admittedly it isn't super huge on 6/8, but many don't stop at those two and also place 5/9/4/10 at times as well - which are much worse returns. And the $1 may not seem like much for that one bet, but multiply it by bet after bet and it adds up FAST.

    The line bets plus say 5x odds, reduce the vig to 0.326% overall. That is far superior to the 1.52% of placing 6/8. Giving the house a >1.5% edge on every bet gives you far less chance of winning in any particular session. Giving >4X the advantage just doesn't add up. Plus if you do extend to 5/9 ( a full 4% vig ) or 4/10 ( 6.67% and even the superior buying is 4.76% vig ) it is that much worse.
     
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  16. ThePicksHub

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    Each roll is independent of the other. I've sat out thinking as soon as I jump back on a "hot" roll in craps or roulette the other side will cash.
     
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