Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Timbuck, Mar 28, 2016.
Boom! Nicely done.
As the OP, let me expand a bit on some recent trips.
1. End of this last summer. Friend is a pretty big deal and we tagged along with him for the ride. It was 8 couples total. We drove in on a Friday and stayed through Sunday. Stayed at Cosmopolitan. How is Cosmo already worn out? The rooms just seemed like they had been used and abused for years . We had dinner reservations at STK for 16 people on Friday night. Place is really good and really fun. But they made us commit to a meal package of around $200 per person + tax + 20% auto gratuity. Meals there are pricey and so are drinks. Chances are we would have been pretty close to $200 per person anyway. But to make us sign a contract and commit to this (By running a credit card for pre-auth in advance) was pretty crappy. Our high roller friend picked up the tab.
That evening we had a table at Marquee. I'm not sure what the minimum was or how many bottles we ordered, but it was at least $3k+tax+tip. It was fun, but I've been to lots of clubs and it wasn't anything special.
The next day we had a Cabana at Marquee Day club. I was wearing a basketball jersey (I'm a low key looking guy in his 40's. Not a thug look at all). They wouldn't let me in with it on. I went back and changed. When we got back to the front of the line, but buddy left his ID with his wife. They wouldn't let us in (even though we were clearly over 21 and spending about $3k again). So we had to go back to our room again. I'm sure if I showed the guy $50, he would have let us in. When we got back with our ID, we had to wait in the table line again to get in. Then another silly line,. Once we got in, we had a decent time but it was kind of a shit show. Some guy asked if he could eat some of our pizza or nachos because his girlfriend was hungry. Some other jackwagon in the pool kept slamming into people. Hey annoyed most everyone around him.
So in 36 hours, for food and drinks, we were in for about $20k (not including room charges)
I could think of lots of ways to spend $20k that would have been a lot more fun.
We gambled at Aria after the club on Friday. I lost a bit (a few hundred) Wife won a bit (a few hundred).
Saturday night we had dinner at Aquanox at Venetian. It was decent, but not mind blowing.
After dinner we gambled at Aria some more. I wound up turning $100 into $2,000 in about 45 minutes, so that was fun.
Left the weekend a winner but I could feel my Vegas excitement starting to fade away at this point.
2. We were back in January for my kids soccer tournament. We stayed at Aria. I got a decent rate on my room from the play I had above. Not a comped room, but they did include free buffets (we didn't use them). All 15 players from her team stayed there.. We booked 2 rooms (adjoining) because we are a family of 5. They would not confirm adjoining rooms until we arrived for check in. This was a pain and caused unnecessary stress. What if the rooms were on separate floors? It worked out ok, but we planned our trip to arrive on Thursday instead of Friday to ensure we would be able to get adjoining rooms.
Aria was one of the "preferred" hotels for the soccer tournament. Yet none of the restaurants had a kids menus. $20 for pancakes x 3 kids was robbery.
We had reservations on Saturday for the adults at Julian Serrano. It was a nightmare to set it up and when we got there, they wait staff seemed like we were doing them a favor for showing up. Slow drink service and attitude. The food was great.
Valet took 20 minutes to get a car out every time.
On Saturday night, I arranged a limo bus to take the players out for a tour of the Strip and to take pictures at the Las Vegas sign. (I'm the coach). I forget the exact rate, but you could only pay in 1 hour increments. So the 90 minutes we used it for, we had to pay for 120 minutes. (I knew this going in and I agreed to it.) The limo driver also seemed annoyed that he was working for us.
Check-in was slammed and took forever. Check out smooth, but still very busy.
I think that maybe "I've been there,done that" all over Vegas so the excitement has worn off a bit. Or maybe my kids are at a fun age now (11, 8, 6) where spending time with them is much more important to me than chasing a hot streak in black jack or seeing Chainsmokers at Hakkasan.
I do realize that some of the hotels in Vegas are unlike anyplace else in the United States. And for many people, that alone is a good enough reason to put up with crappy service. Being in Southern California, we have a lot of great hotels. They are pricey, but I don't have to fly a family of 5 to get to them, so it's kind of a wash.
Sorry for ranting so much. I was just so pleased with our past weekend at La Quinta that it made me mad at Vegas!!!
I've read the posts here, and it's a fairly balanced opinion amongst those who have contributed. To the OP, I'm glad you have shared your experiences with us regarding Vegas. It's always great to have people's opinions on a town that clearly draws us all into this Message Board. I would like share one thing with you: "Wherever you go, there you are".
You make it happen. Not Vegas.
Wow! Awesome insight. Where's the LIKE button?
Well as for #1, it sounds like your disappointment has more to do with the club scene in general rather than Vegas. Clubs have dumb rules, require you buy extremely overpriced alcohol, have long lines, and are going to attract a younger, drunker crowd. People do it because they want to be "seen". I'm not at all surprised that a middle aged guy in his 40s didn't enjoy himself and found it to be a ripoff. I've felt that way since I was in my early 20s.
#2 has some legitimate small complaints, but Aria being a "preferred hotel" doesn't mean they're going to add kids menus to all their restaurants when 95+% of their guests are adults at an adult resort. If anything this complaint would fall on the tournament organizers who listed it as a preferred hotel.
I'm sure your location has something to do with that. If I could drive a few hours and be in Vegas, I'd probably go enough to get burnt out as well. In general I can see some of what you talk about regarding service. I still find some of the nicer resorts you get great service, ditto for the better restaurants. Quite frankly, service most places these days suck outside of the nicer venues, whether you're in Vegas or Topeka. Perhaps you just need a Vegas break. Like I pointed out above, it seems like some of your complaints have more to do with what you chose to do in Vegas vs. something wrong with Vegas. The club scene isn't for everyone, but most people know what to expect. You got exactly what the typical experience is, but weren't happy. It's not surprising as the demographic that patronizes the club scene is the young, (typically) single, want to get hammered and go crazy crowd who want to be the "big shots" with the table service. It'd be like me going to a NASCAR race. I would have zero interest in it, would probably be annoyed at being hot, the noise, and being surrounded by a bunch of people that likely aren't my type of crowd (no offense meant to NASCAR fans, just different strokes for different folks). That's not anything that's wrong with Vegas, just a bad choice of entertainment on my end.
Timbuck, sorry to hear Las Vegas has lost its luster for you. Having gone over this long a period, you should be aware of what you're getting into. Pancakes at $20/kid x 4 kids? You chose to have a simple breakfast at one of the most expensive outlets in Las Vegas...and you KNOW that. What about going to Eat or Dupar's downtown or HH-a-go=go, The French Bakery or Boulder Hwy Casino cafe. It's just breakfast for 6 and YOU HAVE A CAR. You're not staying at a budget hotel. If I stay at the main Hyatt in a city I know that breakfast there is going to cost me a bundle and so I go elsewhere for my meals. You are making choices of a neophyte, not an experienced traveler. You want the prices of the buffets in the 1980's (like $1.99), you can still get them. In today's dollars that's now $5.99 and they serve the same food...canned green beans, meat loaf, baked chicken, macaroni and cheese, stuffing, Campbell's chicken noodle soup...really good stuff! Today you can opt for something better but you'll pay for it. Want a better game? Don't play on the Strip. These properties weren't built to give you the 1980's experience, they were built to give you a better experience...but you'll pay for it. If you want the 1980's experience, go to Circus Circus or The Stratosphere . Stop looking at the past with rose colored glasses. They were big then and they're still there giving the same experience you pine for. Or stay downtown or in the outlying areas. You do have a car. As an experienced LV traveler you know what to expect at the top properties on the Strip...and you chose this experience.
Wow! Reading through this thread, I am so glad we are fans of Downtown LV.
We go to Hawaii often, actually been there quite a few more times the past five or six years than even Vegas. Sure Hawaii (or fill-in-the-blank) is expensive, but it does not have to be, or at least parts of it. A Waikiki high-rise -- no thanks -- or a bungalow a block from Hanalei Bay? A lot of people forget that travel does not have to be a matter of the glossy ads and what the travel agent recommends. A couple trips back we split a 3-bed/3-bath house in Kukuiula, with waves crashing in the back yard, and it was $150/couple/night. And having a grill and kitchen in the islands -- or anywhere -- can be a $$$ windfall, too. Hello. Vegas, Hawaii, wherever, everyone has X bucks, and it all is in how you want to allocate it, and if the allocation strikes a chord. Sometimes all we need to do is mix up how we've always done things to find other ways to enjoy those things (places).
Ditch everyone and do a solo.
I hear ya Timbuck. I am not done with Vegas, but the level of service is not what it once was (I've been going to Vegas for about 20 years myself) and it certainly feels like we are being nickle and dimed at every turn. If I didn't get comped rooms, I probably wouldn't go as often (1-2X a year). Guess I'm their sucker. "Throw him a free room, he'll spend plenty while he's here."
I don't know what the level of service has been in the past but I'm somewhat confused here. One of the reasons I love Vegas is the exceptional level of service I haven't seen anywhere else in the world. And that's everywhere on the strip besides Monte Carlo which is the worst place on the planet when it comes to service.
I think it's a bit of an uphill climb convincing people who hang around a site about Las Vegas, that Las Vegas sucks. Sure you'll get the usual folks who consistently claim most things are not what they once were and the folks who generally state "meh" or "over-rated" to almost anything someone indicates an affinity for will chime in as well, but the OP is good at laying out his concerns/issues.
I like the above post... lotta truth to it!
People don't take well to their oxen being gored. In the same measure, people are vested in their decisions, and at times objectivity suffers.
It's OK to really really really like something and still recognize warts and faults. I prefer to leave thoughts of perfection to the philosophers.
I don't disagree. However, it's a bit odd that OP is complaining about "Vegas" and citing examples of him (in his 40s) not having a good time and being annoyed at two clubs that are geared towards the 20 somethings with money to blow and a desire to party hard. Then to turn around and compare that experience the La Quinta, then use those two experiences to determine that La Quinta > Vegas is silly. It'd be like dropping a couple of 28 year old single guys in Disney World for the week surrounded by kids and families and getting gouged left and right. They're going to have a terrible time because that's not the type of stuff that 20 something guys are into.
La Quinta may very well be better than Vegas regardless, but I'm pretty sure if you gave any random 40+ something two trips, one consisting of two nights in Vegas with bottle service at clubs and dayclub pools, and one consisting of two nights relaxing at La Quinta, 99% of them are going to have a better time in Palm Springs, especially if they're on the hook for the thousands of dollars in bottle service costs. Now flip the club experience for two nights at the Wynn/Bellagio/FS, with some nice meals, relaxing time by the pool, and some gambling if they're so inclined, a show or two, and some golf if that's your thing, and you'll probably get a pretty mixed bag.
Mutliple or even regular trips per year to Vegas aren't for everyone, but given the multitude of entertainment options available, there is literally something for everyone. If you go to Vegas and didn't have a good time (maybe not good enough to go back every year, or even again, but a good time none the less) you didn't do it right.
I've seen these places, they're all over and very inexpensive... I don't get the big deal?
It's not our place to question the OP's motives. He does seem to have had experience in the past with some of the things that now are disappointing him, so it's not like he was dropped in unprepared.
Some people do go to Vegas, don't enjoy it and it's not because they somehow failed. Vegas isn't for everyone. I think that's one of the tenets running through a few of the posts here, the ones hinting at the Kool-Aid Quotient. Yet as for the OP, he certainly doesn't fit that description, he wasn't some wide-eyed newbie fresh off the farm. Read his take: multiple trips over the year, tried it all different ways -- which is not the standard here, btw -- always had fun, but something changed for him, and that's OK. Why are people faulting him?
I don't think he was refering to the chain but rather La Quinta Resort.
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