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How would you play it? Street-by-street edition. AQ suited in SB

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by TRN, May 6, 2017.

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  1. NeonTurtle14

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    This is from $1/$3 NLHE cash game. Table is loose, at least 4 people who have been drinking too much. Two guys who were friends who were learning and trying to help each other without playing each other's hands... it was a pretty ideal table to be at for a weekend $1/$3 game.

    Villain is, imo, the only non-drunk player with half a clue, at this table. He is in position hijack. V has about $450 to start the hand.

    Hero gets AQ suited (clubs) in SB, with about $400 behind. Hero has the image of being pretty LAG after a semi-bluff was shown a few hands earlier. (Mid-pair + flush draw never improved, while drunk guy rivered a set with his 22 he kept calling with).

    Action folds around to V who raises preflop to $13. Folds back to hero on SB - what should hero do?
     
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  2. KKB

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    Based on your LAG image, I flat call here. AQs can be dangerous--or very very valuable. Much more valuable with each of you having that much back if you hit.
    I am guessing that if this guy is solid & sees you as LAG, will see a re-raise as a move with nothing to back it up & re-re-raise you.
    Pot is so small right now, why get crazy? Based on a raise there from a solid player (you haven't mentioned if they are TAG or LAG--guess I'm leaning toward TAG) indicates a strong hand--pair, AK, both which have to beat right now.
    BUT if you flat call you have outs & opportunity to profit nicely. Or you swing & miss, he continuation bets with likely a better hand & you get out cheap.
     
  3. NeonTurtle14

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    Yes I would consider him a TAG player... in the 2-3 hours I'd been at this table, I had not seen him get out of line. He probably averages playing 1 hand every 30 minutes.
     
  4. Nevyn

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    Based on being out of position, and your AQ being suited and in the hijack, I think I'd likely 3 bet here fairly often

    You do have to be careful with this hand, but if you don't take the initiative you are set up to be super passive post flop.

    3 bet will often take it down right there. If he 4 bets in position you let it go. If he flat calls his range is getting pretty narrow, and postflop play will be easier. Plus you will have the initiative to c-bet.

    I mean, a call is fine, but it will be nearly fit or fold.
     
  5. NeonTurtle14

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    Hero raises to $30, and V calls. Pot: $64

    Flop: KQ5 rainbow

    Hero's action?
     
  6. Nevyn

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    You didn't take the initiative to check.

    The call suggests we are not dealing with KK or AA ... he could trap with them, but not super likely. AK is possible (now 9 combos left) since he has position, as is AQ (6). One combination of QQ.

    But the most likely is probably a mid pocket pair. The 3 bet was not super big, are you are both deep, so he'd definitely flat with JJ and TT, and quite possibly any pockets. Something like AJ suited could also be in the mix given your table image.

    I would c-bet 43. If he raises, get out. If he calls, check the turn unless you spike a queen.
     
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    I'm putting him on: 1) JJ or TT; 2 )AQ or AJ; 3) middle/small pair.

    Due to your image and his unwillingness to flop around, I agree with Nevyn. I would bet $40-$50 … then run like a stripped-assed ape if he raises.

    Caveat: I've probably lost more money with AQ than any other hand.
     
  8. NeonTurtle14

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    ...picking back up...

    Hero bets $40. V speaks for the first time in 3 hours of playing with him and says "you got that king..."... tanks a while... makes the call. Pot: $144

    Turn: K Q 5 5

    Hero's action?
     
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  9. Nevyn

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    Check.

    His calling hands that you beat are something like TT, JJ. You could be tied with AQ. Or you are beat, and his talk is meant to keep AK firing, or get you to barrel if bluffing.

    I think the weak calling hands will generally often check back the turn. They can't get called by your hands which they beat, but could get a river bet from you.

    You are never folding out hands which are ahead of you.


    Jumping ahead, I fold to any large turn bet. A smallish one ... we'll see. Could depend on how he acts. But even that is lean towards fold. If he checks back, check call river unless it is a big overbet (assuming nothing interesting like a queen).
     
  10. KKB

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    I love reading everyone's thoughts.
    It does make me realize that while we can evaluate hands, player reading is KEY to true play.
    When you evaluate what you thing V has based on betting patterns, I am thinking, that wouldn't be me--but I do try to shake it up.
     
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    You're out of position - so I say fire one more time. If you check, he will perceive weakness and he will fire at you (if he has skills).

    If he's a good player, he could be calling you with a minimal hand because he has position and he plans on taking this pot down.
     
  12. NeonTurtle14

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    ...picking back up...

    Hero checks the turn, V checks back. Pot: still $144

    River: K Q 5 5 5

    Hero's action?
     
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    Bet $100 now (but I would have preferred betting a $100 on the turn).
     
  14. Nevyn

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    Check call unless he bombs it. Your 100 is only getting called by a K or better, but another Q, or even jacks could go for thin value if they think you gave up with a smaller pair.

    And if it goes check check you win all the pots a bet would win.
     
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    yes - that's what the $100 prevents.
     
  16. Nevyn

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    If I thought he had really anything he would bluff with I might agree with you. But what hands does he call a 3 bet pre, call a continuation bet, and then check the turn with, only to try a big bluff on the river with worse than AQ?

    I think any hand that would bomb the river, could still do it over your $100.

    The only merit I see to leading out is to try to get another AQ to fold.
     
  17. NeonTurtle14

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    ...picking back up...

    Hero bets $40. Villain says "that was my move after you checked the river" and proceeds to fold face up: AQ

    Thanks... ?
     
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    He folds any turn bet so the hand ends the same way if you bet turn or river
     
  19. meyers67

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    Nice take down. He played it very passively. If he was the only one at the table with a clue, then I'm sure you did very well.

    What casino was this at?
     
  20. Nevyn

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    Happy ending. Shocked he didn't look you up on the river after the turn check. I mean, you might pot control with AK there, but if they told him after the flop call that no hands would improve and he would only have to pay 40 more on turn and river ....
     
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