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How time flies. March will be 7 years since we moved out of LAS.

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Joe, Feb 26, 2017.

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  1. Joe

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    It is so hard to believe how time flies. Feb marked my 9th year of retirement and in March it will be 7 years since we gave up on Vegas and moved back to Wisconsin. Don't get me wrong. We have 6 Vegas trips scheduled for 2017. It just wasn't for us to live there.

    Hopefully I can do another post like this in 2027!
     
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  2. Lovegas95

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    Glad you figured out where you belong Joe. You had a Vegas adventure and it continues to this day. I appreciate how you view the city and I benefit tremendously from your posts. Thanks.
     
  3. SaltyNutSnack

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    Vegas is a city that I wouldn't wanna live in. I love being a tourist there. If I lived there it would take the magic away. I guess I enjoy paying for stuff overpriced on the strip. LoL
     
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  4. smerrian

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    I would love for you to expound upon why "It just wasn't for us to live there".
    I love Vegas and would love to move there in my future retirement. I don't just love it for the vacation aspect, I love the city itself. I spend very little on shows when I'm there. I make long (2 week) trips and always rent a car and drive around from neighborhood through neighborhood just getting the vibe from all over the valley. I love the city. I currently live outside of Atlantic City so I have plenty of gambling at my disposal and Philadelphia is very easy to get to; but nothing is like the city of Las Vegas. What made the city not right for you to live in?
     
  5. VPDana

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    Las Vegas is too much fun to visit. Living there would ruin that.
     
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  6. Joe

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    OK, I wrote this in 2011 and I have not updated it, but here is a general overview of why we left.


    Vegas: A wonderful place to visit, just not to live. We gave up and after 18 months and we bought a house and moved back to Wisconsin. For 15 years it was my dream to retire and buy a house in Vegas. I guess be careful what you wish for…

    Things we loved:

    Gambling and drinking 24/7.

    The weather 10 months a year! Summer is hot and I never thought I’d be golfing at 100+degrees, but it wasn’t bad.

    No income tax.

    Cheap or free buffets

    Did I mention the weather 10 months a year! Unfortunately there has to be more.

    The negatives in no particular order:

    Gambling and drinking 24/7. Access to both is too easy.

    Over-priced restaurants and drinks. $7 for a bottle of domestic beer or $16 for a mixed drink. $40 for a steak that costs $20 back home. C’mon.

    Cheap or free buffets. I might never want to eat at a buffet again! I just got tired of eating at them and of course you don’t eat healthy when you’re at one of them.

    Air quality very poor. Weekly advisories about quality.

    8.1% sales tax. It adds up quickly.

    HOA fees.

    Neighbors you never talk to. Garage door goes up, in they go and the door comes down. If they come out, it’s to go in their backyard and sit in their concrete block enclosure that they call a backyard here. No reason to be out front, no plants to take of.

    If the neighbors are sitting on their patio and we’re on ours, its like having them at our table, the sound just reverberates off those block walls. No privacy despite the walls.

    Almost constant wind 15-20 mph daily, some days 30-40mph. Even 50 mph!

    Dust, it’s everywhere. Open the windows and it just covers everything in the house. Even with the windows closed and no A/C running the house gets dusty in 2 days.

    I’ve developed allergies since we’ve been here, never had them before.

    Water quality: 98th worst out of 100 cities.

    No rain. I miss thunderstorms and I hate to admit it but I miss snow.

    Smoke. Vegas must be the smokiest city in the country. Go to a casino and your clothes just reek. Now this wasn’t a surprise. We encountered this every vacation but when you live here and have respiratory problems, it takes a toll. It’s different than visiting 5 times a year. I know, just stay out of the casino. But hey, we like gambling and the casino vibe.

    Of course the crazy drivers have to be on the list. The long time locals we talk to blame it on the influx of CA drivers. I don’t know if that’s true, or just a justification for everyone to drive nuts. Just happy I didn’t have an accident, but did come close a couple of times.

    Rolling stops. Or, the driver that pulls out 10ft into the intersection and looks like he’s not going to stop at all. I’m tired of flinching.

    Cost of car insurance. 2.5x the cost in Wisconsin.

    Medical and dental costs and quality of service. Costs high, service very poor!

    40% Clark County high school graduation rate. 5th largest school district in the US and it only graduates 40% of the kids. It doesn’t directly affect us, but what happens to the 60% that don’t graduate? How do they make money in a town with double digit unemployment?

    Cost of living: My figures show it will be about $1,000 per month cheaper to live back in WI, even with an income tax and higher property taxes.

    And last of all: Losing our favorite place to vacation!!!
     
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  7. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I'm from Hawaii and a lot of Hawaii folks move to Vegas or at least are snowbirds. I often wonder if I would be one of them and eventually move there. I definitely truly HATE the plane ride to and from Vegas.

    Actually I take that back. When I occasionally fly first class it is tolerable.
     
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    Hey, Electroguy, you can't be called a "snowbird" if you live in Hawaii!:poke:
     
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    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    :thumbsup::beer:
     
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    I have former coworkers and friends who have moved up to vegas. Many like it because they are still up there. I don't know too many people who have moved back to Hawaii after making the move to vegas.

    I thought about moving up to vegas but didn't dwell too much on it. Some negatives that I saw:

    Temperatures, either too hot or too cold for my tastes. I would probably have to run my a/c 24/7 during the summer and heater during the winter. I think this is probably #1 on my list of why I wouldn't move up to vegas. I love to play golf every week, not easy to do that in vegas because it can be too hot or too cold.

    Dry heat and low humidity. When I'm in vegas I find my skin drying up, within a few days I blow my nose and blood comes out. I have to use lip balm all the time because my lips get cracked and chapped.

    No "aloha" spirit, you really don't make a lot of friends and people aren't very friendly, especially your neighbors.

    Most of my friends and relatives all live nearby in Honolulu and just a neighbor island hop to see the rest of my relatives.

    As Joe mentioned, dust everywhere, no sense you wash your car as it will get dirty by the end of the day.



    But then here are a few reasons why my friends moved up to vegas:

    Their kids and grandkids live nearby or in neighboring states. So much easier to drive or a quick hop to see them on a regular basis (sometimes monthly) , unlike from Hawaii where you need to take a 5 hour flight every time you want to see them.

    Compared to Hawaii, cost of living is much cheaper. Your house in vegas is probably half (or more) the amount it costs in Hawaii. No way can your kids think about buying a place in Hawaii, too expensive. That means that your kids end up living with you until their 30's and 40's or more. Rents also high in Hawaii. In vegas you can probably rent a place (decent 1 or maybe even a 2 bedroom place) for less than $1k a month. For that price in Hawaii you will probably get a dump or a hole in the wall place the size of a closet. Many people have to share an apartment because it costs so much to rent.

    Cost of goods are so much lower. In Hawaii we see all the ads on TV about $6 subs or cheap KFC or pizzas but in Hawaii prices are always a few bucks more. Actually the cost of everything is a few bucks more.

    My friend needs dialysis once or twice a week, vegas has more offices that handle that.

    I also hate the 5 hour plane ride every time I have to travel from Hawaii to the mainland US. And then when I do travel I have to bring a big suitcase to hold all my clothes for my trip, in addition to having space to bring back stuff.

    Lots of 99 cent stores. In Hawaii they are probably $2 or $3 stores.

    Lots of cheap places to eat (as long as you stay away from the strip).

    Easy to get in your car and drive for hours and not hit the end of the road.

    You don't get "island fever" for living on a rock. That's why some Hawaii people like to go to vegas, gotta get off the rock.
     
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    Joe,
    Thanks for posting so clearly some of the benefits and tribulations of living in Vegas. It definitely puts a clearer perspective on making such a move.
     
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    Wow, I can't believe that much time has passed, Joe.
     
  13. vegasdev

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    you said it best the "magic". I have thought about retiring in vegas, but maybe I should be satisfied with 4 visits per year. I could always stay longer when I am retired. instead of a 5 or 6 night visit, I could stay 2 weeks at a time. maybe that would satisfy me, but I do HATE flying.
     
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    Joe, thanks for sharing your views. very helpful. I agree with you about the wind, it does get on my nerves when I am in Vegas. especially when I am at the pool. I would love to hear from others on the pros/cons of retiring to Vegas.
     
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    We're getting old Ken.
     
  16. hotreds

    hotreds Illegitimi non carborundum!

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    Helpful to reinforce why I wouldn't want to live/retire in Vegas. I do indeed love to visit, but it really never occurred to me to put down roots. What I would like to do is maybe spend two weeks there for a little less hectic stay, but most places don't give you good rates for more than a week.
     
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    Yupper- but it does beat the alternative!
     
  18. j52chips

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    My 62 y/o buddy just moved there in June. He thought it was a utopia. He was just back to Chicago for vacation and now plans on moving back as soon as it can be arranged. When he was in Chicago he brought up the fact that I told him it was a great place to visit but sucks to live. He said "I agree" . Joe, being in the Chicago area I thought about relocating but thought about all the places I didn't want to go. I thought about Wisconsin and Minnesota. I love both states but at 65 y/o I don't want to deal with cold and snow worse than Illinois. Vegasdev please do your homework and don't go on a whim. By the way I go so often because I have family there. My sister just told me last week that Vegas with all it's bullshit fees etc, is cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. She said after 25 years see said if we were'nt so old we would leave.
     
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    NOOOOOOOO. We just hit five years in this house, five-plus since we left SoCal. That, too, is hard for me to believe.

    We see ourselves being able to fit in just fine in some of our getaway vacation spots, if/when we were to give up on the central coast. But two not on that list are Hawaii and Vegas.
     
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