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how is THEO calculated for skill based games?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Bondy3, Jan 24, 2017.

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  1. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    there are several places with games that are nearly break-even, (9/6 JoB, S17 DD BJ to name a few)

    is theo calculated assuming that the player plays perfectly or is it calculated assuming the player names some amount of mistakes?
     
  2. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Unfortunately, it depends on the casino.

    For most VP, however, many casino players' club software is behind the times and can only assign theo on a per machine basis. So you gain a bigger comp edge by playing the best game available and it's likely even better if there are a bunch of lower paying variants around it.

    One proven exception to this is Cosmo. They use perfect play theo for every individual game variant paytable and gimmicks that change the return if applicable. So playing crappy 6/5 Bonus (3.13% HA) at the bar will gain you theo 6.8 times faster than 9/6 JoB (0.46% HA).
     
  3. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    so Cosmo is perfect Theo (I dont play perfect, so I would be super under-comped there)

    what about Ceasars? do you know?
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Those tend to be blended averages from what I've seen discussed. Cosmo is the only casino I've learned that doesn't do a machine average.
     
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    JeJas VIP Whale

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    I would not consider it as under-comped.
    I see it as the not-perfect play costs you money on the gambling side, not the comp side.

    Similar to bad luck, if you lost way more than the theo,and they still comped you based on theo.
    But it doesn't mean they comped you less, it is just you lost more due to bad luck.
     
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    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    I feel like non perfect play cost you money on the gambling side AND the comp side
     
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    I believe CET is $5.00 coin = 1 TC/RC on slots and double that on VP. If its a good pay table you get 1 TC/RC per 10 bucks coin. If its a shitty paytable its still 10 gets you 1/1
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Bondy3 was talking about theo calculations that generate your mailers. But for tier credits and rewards credits, yes, it's typically $10/point at CET for VP. But for "full pay" VP games, they will often reduce the rate to $25 or $50/point.
     
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    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    there are some full pay VP machines that are still $10pp, (specifically one machine left in vegas, but its $250/pull)
     
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    Rio should still have 8/5 Bonus for dollars and full points. Have no idea how good the theo is on that machine though. @TIMSPEED what say you?
     
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