parlayboy
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I've posted about this a lot in other forums but never here. I know this is a matter of personal choice but I am always curious about it.
I personally "accept and dummy up" about all dealer mistakes in my favor. Some think it unethical to know you got paid when you shouldn't have but my "reasons for rarely relinquishing" such bonuses are that I was cheated several times in LV in my 20's. I didn't know the protocol for such things and just ended up taking it on the chin. So ALL such bonuses are "righting the books" IMO.
I was cheated by a couple of BJ dealers who could tell I was a newbie and just blatantly took my $ on wins and went on and didn't even acknowledge my protestations - I didn't know about floormen and pitstiffs in those early days and would move on and not call one over like I would now. I also had craps dealers muck my wrong bets at times and then ignore me when I protested as well. My friends also got ripped off by a sportsbook clerk who told them "ties lose" on spread bets - when they have NEVER in LV that I know of. I am sure they pocketed the refund instead. I also witnessed a small off-strip casino cheat players by leaving about two decks that had come out FULL of As and Xs in the discard wrack and not shuffle them or return them to the shoe. I got up and moved on but more than 3 hours later I passed that table and they were still leaving the clump of high cards in the wrack. I warned the other players they were getting ripped off but they didn't move - or understand I guess.
Anyway, such little "cheats" have made me accept all dealer BONUSES since as I have no justifications for helping them after such experiences. And while I've literally saved other players hundreds of times from dealer mistakes against them ( I like to help and root for other players usually ), it does irk me a tad when someone else ( always seems like it is a blue hair BTW ) points out a dealer mistake that helped me or anyone else. Why would someone else's "bonus" be yours to CORRECT? Just smile at the benefactor(s) and play on!
The ONE exception is if I like the dealer ( either have played against them a lot or they are particularly helpful or nice - and I do toke pretty generously so it isn't a matter of taking it out on them ) and they make an obvious mistake WITH the pitstiff looking over their shoulder, I will give them some TELL that they paid me when they shouldn't have just to SAVE THEM from a lecture or ding by their boss. In that situation I will voluntarily "forfeit" a mistake bonus to save the dealer any trouble. But NEVER in any other circumstance.
Why it is germane for me is that I often have played downtown where a lot of break-in dealers learn to deal. Thus I run into a lot of relatively new dealers. Such probationary dealers tend to make a lot more mistakes than vets. I also tend to get chatty with dealers if no one else is talking to them or being social. Even vet dealers make many more mistakes when you get them embroiled in some conversation for most of their shift. Thus I've seen MANY mistakes in my playing. I NOW politely point out mistakes against me, or others, and call the floorman if the dealer is looking to ignore it. But I shall keep "dummying up" when it goes my way to try to right the books from those early day rip-offs I endured. I don't set out to "induce mistakes" by chatting, but it does happen on occasion. A pro gambler I know will occasionally play craps, for giggles with friends, and make very uneven bets to "try to illicit" payoff mistakes in his favor. By doing it he expects 1-2 mistakes in his favor an hour which offsets the low vig of that game. Now I do think THAT crosses the line a bit, but I don't advocate that technique.
I have a few good stories about dealers cheating for players too, they all involve cute players and male dealers. hahaha I once had a total stranger at a BJ player TRY to trick the dealer into paying me by claiming they made a mistake against me when they didn't - and she tried it multiple times even. Now that is what I call a good tablemate, LOL. The dealer had made a mistake in my favor early on and this girl was so tickled by it that she thought she'd try to get me more of them I guess.
I did once have a mistake bonus taken back. I was playing at a $50 BJ table at Bellagio, which is rare as I tend to be a low min player 99% of the time. The dealer paid me and the other player at the table when we'd lost and we both just winked at each other and played on. About 30 mins later a security guard comes up behind us ( I guess so we wouldn't just run off ) and with the floorman asks us both to forfeit the mistake. They say they caught it reviewing the tape and we owe it back to them. I so wish I had bailed or not had it in chips in front of me. We both complied after some protestations. I'd never ever seen that happen before but evidently it isn't that rare at a higher limit or high roller table where it isn't just a $10 or $20 swing per mistake.
I personally "accept and dummy up" about all dealer mistakes in my favor. Some think it unethical to know you got paid when you shouldn't have but my "reasons for rarely relinquishing" such bonuses are that I was cheated several times in LV in my 20's. I didn't know the protocol for such things and just ended up taking it on the chin. So ALL such bonuses are "righting the books" IMO.
I was cheated by a couple of BJ dealers who could tell I was a newbie and just blatantly took my $ on wins and went on and didn't even acknowledge my protestations - I didn't know about floormen and pitstiffs in those early days and would move on and not call one over like I would now. I also had craps dealers muck my wrong bets at times and then ignore me when I protested as well. My friends also got ripped off by a sportsbook clerk who told them "ties lose" on spread bets - when they have NEVER in LV that I know of. I am sure they pocketed the refund instead. I also witnessed a small off-strip casino cheat players by leaving about two decks that had come out FULL of As and Xs in the discard wrack and not shuffle them or return them to the shoe. I got up and moved on but more than 3 hours later I passed that table and they were still leaving the clump of high cards in the wrack. I warned the other players they were getting ripped off but they didn't move - or understand I guess.
Anyway, such little "cheats" have made me accept all dealer BONUSES since as I have no justifications for helping them after such experiences. And while I've literally saved other players hundreds of times from dealer mistakes against them ( I like to help and root for other players usually ), it does irk me a tad when someone else ( always seems like it is a blue hair BTW ) points out a dealer mistake that helped me or anyone else. Why would someone else's "bonus" be yours to CORRECT? Just smile at the benefactor(s) and play on!
The ONE exception is if I like the dealer ( either have played against them a lot or they are particularly helpful or nice - and I do toke pretty generously so it isn't a matter of taking it out on them ) and they make an obvious mistake WITH the pitstiff looking over their shoulder, I will give them some TELL that they paid me when they shouldn't have just to SAVE THEM from a lecture or ding by their boss. In that situation I will voluntarily "forfeit" a mistake bonus to save the dealer any trouble. But NEVER in any other circumstance.
Why it is germane for me is that I often have played downtown where a lot of break-in dealers learn to deal. Thus I run into a lot of relatively new dealers. Such probationary dealers tend to make a lot more mistakes than vets. I also tend to get chatty with dealers if no one else is talking to them or being social. Even vet dealers make many more mistakes when you get them embroiled in some conversation for most of their shift. Thus I've seen MANY mistakes in my playing. I NOW politely point out mistakes against me, or others, and call the floorman if the dealer is looking to ignore it. But I shall keep "dummying up" when it goes my way to try to right the books from those early day rip-offs I endured. I don't set out to "induce mistakes" by chatting, but it does happen on occasion. A pro gambler I know will occasionally play craps, for giggles with friends, and make very uneven bets to "try to illicit" payoff mistakes in his favor. By doing it he expects 1-2 mistakes in his favor an hour which offsets the low vig of that game. Now I do think THAT crosses the line a bit, but I don't advocate that technique.
I have a few good stories about dealers cheating for players too, they all involve cute players and male dealers. hahaha I once had a total stranger at a BJ player TRY to trick the dealer into paying me by claiming they made a mistake against me when they didn't - and she tried it multiple times even. Now that is what I call a good tablemate, LOL. The dealer had made a mistake in my favor early on and this girl was so tickled by it that she thought she'd try to get me more of them I guess.
I did once have a mistake bonus taken back. I was playing at a $50 BJ table at Bellagio, which is rare as I tend to be a low min player 99% of the time. The dealer paid me and the other player at the table when we'd lost and we both just winked at each other and played on. About 30 mins later a security guard comes up behind us ( I guess so we wouldn't just run off ) and with the floorman asks us both to forfeit the mistake. They say they caught it reviewing the tape and we owe it back to them. I so wish I had bailed or not had it in chips in front of me. We both complied after some protestations. I'd never ever seen that happen before but evidently it isn't that rare at a higher limit or high roller table where it isn't just a $10 or $20 swing per mistake.
