Discussion in 'Table Games' started by EastCoastVegasFan!, Feb 7, 2020.
I don't know what it is, but this guy makes me laugh every time!
He didn't really make me want to watch anything else of his.
He sounds like a guy who has never had a good time playing craps in his life.
When cable was first installed in my city, Thursday Evenings at 11 there was a show called So You Want To Be A Gambler.
John would go through basic strategy of the games and would emphasise that in gambling you had to have bankroll, knowledge money management and discipline .
There was a call in segment to the show.
Some, if not all calls seemed staged.
And he would push his books and videos during the 30 minute show.
He is the exact person you don't want to be near, in a Las Vegas casino.
Back in the day (90s) the major bookstores like Borders and Barnes and Noble would have more robust gambling-related holdings than they do now. I remember seeing Patrick's books, "Craps", and another, "Advanced Craps." I never perused the books, but my buddy and I would often wonder why one would need an "Advanced Craps" book after the first one!
I also remember standing near an empty craps table at the Golden Nugget years ago waiting for some friends and some older gentleman approaches me and tries to explain the game. He tells me that the pass line is the worst bet because that is the bet closest to the player and thus the one the casino wants you to make. Maybe the guy was John P!!!
Sounds like something he would say! This game has been around for years and years, there is no strategy, just math. If you want the best bet, play the don’t pass line at a casino that will give you the most odds on it. I want to say the don’t pass with 100x odds is th we best odds of any casino game. Almost no house edge.
I had bought a Patrick book when I was a casino newbie in the 80's. I recall that he preached only placing numbers and some kind of timing. I guess pass line and come bet math is too simple in order to fashion a system to sell your VCR tapes to the public.
A while back I made friends with a project manager of the job I was spearheading for my company. He was an avid craps player so we both hit it off well. He was a don't player and he and I would have friendly arguments on why he plays the don't and I....don't, lol!
Anyway he gave me a book of that Patrick guy. It was his Advanced Craps book.
The book is all about criticism. It's assumed the reader already knows how to play craps. He just goes over all aspects of the game and states his recommendations on each bet and strategy.
It seems like he writes the book in a passive-aggressive tone. Like he resents his past playing days and now is on a crusade to right the wrongs of every craps player that does not adhere to his way of playing the game.
I find the book dark and gloomy. It seems like he never had any fun playing the game and makes one wonder why the hell he continued to do so. And I wouldn't doubt he never made much money off his books also.
I've got them both, they're a hoot; old school stuff. Come bets are stupid, follow the trend, place the 6 & 8 for $12 each, get a hit, call it a day.
A creature of his times, he makes more than one reference to Dolly Parton and Lonnie Anderson.
John Patrick infomercials were featured regularly early weekend mornings on FNN/SCORE network, which we watched for baseball scores in the 1980s for Rotisserie Baseball. John spent half the show insulting gamblers. He gave a few common sense tips and basic information about odds and how to wager (this was all pre-internet), but not much else.
Who's playing Time Out for Trivia?
He spends a considerable time in his book doing the same thing. His book "Advanced Craps" is a portrait of an angry and sad man. He used the word "Dork" to describe ignorant gamblers.
How he ever thought that insulting novice gamblers will gain him respect and fame is beyond me.
He was a professional gambler who made money playing slots for a living. Why you dorks who can't comprehend John's genius is beyond me.
We chalked it up to him being an arrogant east coast gambler in Atlantic City. Met many degenerates like him in AC, the first place I played in the 1980s (underage) on $49 Trump casino junkets from Midway for airfare (6 am Midway departure, midnight return), a bus ride from AC airport to Trump's Taj Mahal casino, a free roll of quarters and a buffet. Went with my co-workers at Hawthorne / Sportsman's Park race track. Fun times.
Catch the wiki page at the 2 minute mark refuting John's gibberish. 1:35: "Forget about card counting....trends in gambling dominate. When something happens, it is more likely to happen again then the opposite." WTF!?!
It's worked better for Bob Dancer at video poker, imo.
That's a lot of gar-bage alright. Lol
Bob can be arrogant, but his advice is based on actual probability. John Patrick's advice is limited to douchbagery, half truths and outright lies.
He reminds me of the AC gambler discussed in this thread.
I never play the come...I use place betting.
I'm not sure this guy's arguments are the same as mine, but I certainly agree with the notion that using the come to be on the numbers is not as profitable as placing those same numbers.
Yes, I realize that many/most players disagree with me... but, in a nutshell, here's my argument:
Two players betting side-by-side at the same table -
Come-bettor: $5 bet on the come... 8 is rolled... he takes $10 odds. Another 8 is rolled. He makes $17 on two rolled 8s, with $15 risked.
Place-bettor: $12 placed on the 8. 8 is rolled. Player says "same bet" and is paid $14. Second 8 is rolled. He is paid another $14. He takes the bet down. He just made $28 on the same two-8s rolled, and only risked $12.
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