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Hard Rock Tampa Addition

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by Chump, Apr 25, 2017.

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  1. Chump

    Chump Low-Roller

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    WOW!

    The new Hard Rock-Tampa garage and the Mezzanine Level walkways into the casino from the two north garages opened at noon today. The indoor escalators for it sit directly in front of the hotel lobby. What took me by surprise is that the new 26,000 sq ft Mezzanine Level casino opened too. I guess I would call this a higher limit gaming area. HR can be proud of what they’ve done here. The Wynn and Palazzo have nothing on HR in terms of the elegance of this addition. It's beautiful! As I understand, there will be another High Limit casino still to open in this area or above it. I don’t quite get the Porta Cache. The illustrations of it show as six lanes but the drive through opening of it underneath the Mezzanine Casino doesn’t look nearly as wide unless it expands once within. The entire north casino will permanently close on Sunday so you only have a few more days to say goodbye to what or whomever.






     
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    Just got the notice from SHR. Gotta check it out in person.
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  3. Chump

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    We visited Hard Rock yesterday anticipating the grand opening of the new Porte Cochere as shown on their illustrations as #4. https://www.seminolehardrocktampa.com/files/1634/expansion-brochure-areas.pdf What actually occurred was a ribbon cutting ceremony for the new Orient Garage. There will be no Porte Cochere for the foreseeable future. The area displayed as item #4 will be opening in a few weeks as the new smoke free, ground level casino below the Mezzanine Casino. The staff seems as puzzled as me having looked at the drawings displayed in the lobby for the past year. For now, the valet service will remain at ground level of the Lucky Street Garage. The closing of the north casino has been pushed back to May 12th, presumably to allow for the completion of the newest casino area. When it does close, I don’t know how a patron will get from the valet into the casino unless he takes the elevator up to the second floor and enters via the Mezzanine Casino.

    The Lobby Bar is not going to undergo a major renovation and will remain the same until the completion of the new hotel tower in two years. They will close for a period to redo the bar area itself. There is an odor there which they have not been able to correct so they are going to tear it all out and rebuild it. It was the first bar at HR.

    The new location for Rise appears to be working well for it. There was a long waiting line for it even at 8:00pm.

    What hit me yesterday was with all the moving around of machines, they are clearly opening up the spacing between them to be less cluttered. I think it will be more pleasant to have additional personal space while enjoying your play. I recall how the old GN in Vegas was so congested that you couldn’t even walk through the casino.
     
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    Great...Now only if they'd make adjustments to their bad gaming, bad comps, that would be great.
     
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    Yeah, it would be nice if $100 lasted more than 5 minutes on a slot machine. I live 10 minutes away and rarely go here more than once or twice a year.
     
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  6. Chump

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    We were comped a room at HR on Sunday night so we went for the five Audi drawings. We didn’t win one. We ate at the Council Oak Bar and tried their fried oysters. We never had them before and found them to be delicious! We ordered room service yesterday morning, bacon, eggs and toast. It has never occurred to me to comment on toast before. Toast is toast, right. I have to say though that the toast that Rise brought up was without a doubt, the best toast I have ever had in my lifetime. I thought the toast came from the Rise bakery. It actually comes from Bimbo’s Bakery in Tampa. The room was quite nice with turn down service, a coffee maker and a morning newspaper at the door. Their bedding is as plush as any I have ever seen anywhere. I looked out the window and saw a monster crane put in position along with a big footer crane starting the new hotel tower. I would think they will be tearing down the north casino very soon. As we got off the elevator, I saw techs wheeling slot machines from the north casino into the new smoke free area under the Mezzanine Casino. I read there will be 850 slots in that area. The Mezzanine Casino will be getting bigger soon. The best guess for the new restaurant up there will be “The Palm”. When the new hotel tower is completed in two years, the plan seems to be tearing out the new ground level smoke free casino and replacing it with an eight lane porta cache when the ground level of the new hotel returns to being a casino. The rest of the casino will be remodeled in sections to look like the new Mezzanine over the next several years as well. The staff keeps saying, HR is really going to be something when all the dust settles.

    As for comps and HR’s gaming, I bet an average $2.50 on their slots & VP, eight to ten hours a week. I can easily get a room Sun-Thurs at least every other month which is all we want. It’s nice not to have to drive home at 9:00 or 10:00 at night after a long casino day. I had three hand pays Sunday so I’m not complaining about the returns which I know are better than most everything you find at the lower denominations on the Strip these days. I have $650 in advanced free play spread over May and will usually earn another $300 based on my play along with $200 in property credit. I agree that comps aren’t what they used to be a decade ago but they’re not anywhere. Regretfully, the golden comp years for us lower rollers has gone away with slots that now each cost between $30,000 to over $500,000.
     
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    I went with my best friend after the gun show at the fairgrounds a couple of weeks ago. We went there initially just to grab something to eat, and meet up with my father as he is a regular (a bit too regular imo) player there and has an X card. Turns out they wouldn't let me into the high limit slots room off the main casino floor where he was because I'm just a peon with a lowly platinum card.:grrr:.Anyway, the buffet was packed so we went and ate at the food court. My best friend likes to smoke cigars, and I don't smoke anything in any of my vehicles so we played around for a bit. Did ok at the back bartop vp playing dollars DDB (it's the low one that may or may not be for special needs players :whistle:- I know I'm a prick for doing that) regardless it was 4OAK city for a while and I got up as high as $220 on a hundo in I think, but then the Hard Rock Tampa "magic" kicked in.. Pulled out at $175.. Not bad, but he told me to leave at $220...oh well. So then we go to slots as my friend still has lots of cigar to smoke. The machines ate that like a fat kid in a cake store. Told him "I'm done.." He is super wealthy and said, well I wanna stay and play, so I'll stake you. OK, I blew through almost $400 of his cash before I even hit a bonus, then the bonus didn't pay shit. He doesn't have a players club card there as he doesn't gamble too often at HR so, we were playing on my card, checked my balance - had a whopping $1.41 in "Comp Dollars" :thumbsdown: Done done dooooooone with that place. So much potential, such a godamn shame. But I guess they treat their players like shit because they can, fucking place is packed all the time unless you're a weirdo like me and my dad and get there early as fuck on Saturday a.m..like 8:00 a.m.
     
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    What can I say but that I’m getting a kick out of observing the weekly progress of the additions at Hard Rock. We went yesterday afternoon and redeemed our bottles of Don Julio tequila along with thousands of others. I don’t know what it tastes like but it sure comes in a fancy pants bottle.

    The north casino is now curtained off north to south from the old Rise location to the spa and east to west from the new Rise location to nearly the pool bar which they now say closes tomorrow. I don’t know if that means the balance of the north casino will close too or if that’s still a bit away. I do know they have been moving the slots in the closed off area into the new smoke free casino under the Mezzanine Casino this week. I would guess that we’ll see the opening of the new smoke free casino next weekend. I would be surprised to see it as ornate as the Mezzanine Casino is because they will be tearing it out for the new porta cache in just two years.

    It sure is a long walk into the Mezzanine Casino from the Winners Way garage but is still much shorter than from the old south garage now called the Draper garage. If they had been given a larger tract of land and could have planned for their overall current size from the beginning, I’m sure the design would have been considerably different.
     
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    I visited Hard Rock today for a few hours to take advantage of a free play offer for just this date. I parked in the new Orient Garage for the first time. I found it to be quite open and a better designed garage than the other three, especially Lucky Street and the Draper Garage. There are four elevators in the SE corner moving to all floors. The Mezzanine Casino walkway is actually on the 3rd level but parking there is reserved for X-card holders only. I parked on the second level and took the elevator to three. The walkway in is shorter than from Winners Way and most of the parking spaces are closer to the elevators than any of the other garages. The walkway was very nicely finished in keeping with the Mezzanine.

    ALL of the North Casino is already permanently closed. The Lucky Street elevators won’t even go down to the ground level but rather drop patrons on the second floor level to divert them to the Winners Way walkway into the Mezzanine. The new smoke free casino area under the Mezzanine will open by the end of the week.
     
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    I visited Hard Rock yesterday. They had just opened the new ground level smoke free casino. There is a new ground level enclosed walkway leading from the Lucky Street Garage into this new section. I think it is directly under the Mezzanine walkway coming in from the Winners Way Garage. The old pool bar has been installed in the new section as well. This area is not nearly as ornate as the Mezzanine Casino but it’s only going to be there for two years and then become the casino’s porta cache. The new Orient Garage was closed. Rumors of construction defects are surfacing resulting from its rapid construction.
     
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    IN genral I think Indian owned and operated Casino's are horrible. This place is no exception.
     
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    Yessir. I think they may be in for a bit of a shock when they take over AC Taj Mahal, and buy HR Las Vegas... Booze giveaways, Magic Bullet giveaways, beach towel and beach tote giveaways are great and all, but if they think players are going to stick around their casinos after amassing less than $2.00 in comps after $500 or $600 coin in, then they're wasting billions of dollars, and just need to stay in Florida where they're the only game around.
     
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    The Hard Rock Tampa is the pits. Like most Indian casinos, poor comps, crummy pay tables and their successful because they're the only game in town. In AC & Vegas they're gonna have to actually compete for their players.
     
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    Well, Native Casinos must be doing something right as the 10 largest casinos in the US are all Native Casinos. The combined revenues of all of them exceed all in Las Vegas. I don’t know about other Native Casinos but I haven’t seen more than three Seminoles at HR in the last seven years. They are managed by pale faces that learned their positions in Vegas and AC. It’s probably the number one employer of people under 25 in the area. The machines in there are the same ones you will find anywhere in Vegas or AC but with higher returns than any casino on the Strip. The Seminole Casinos have reduced our property taxes by giving $1 Billion + to the State over the last five years. They also rank highly among the most charitable businesses here. No local casino should be comping drinks unless you like to see people killed by DUI drivers. They don’t have 5,000 rooms in which to let people sleep it off.

    I won’t defend any casino anywhere. NONE are what they were 15-20 years ago. The group I like the least is MGM. They totally ruined the Mirage, Treasure Island, Bellagio and the Beau Rivage for us through their greed and stupidity. There are also things I dislike about our HR but at least we’re not paying $1200 in travel expenses to go elsewhere to get screwed. We can do that right here 30 minutes from our home. LOL
     
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    If by doing something right, you mean getting to open up huge casinos in places where they originally had no legal competition and lots of land in the middle of nowhere, then yes.

    Do you really think they payout better than the Strip? I wouldn't be so certain of that based upon what is reported by state regulators. Nevada has a very low gaming tax relative to the average locals' market, its slot holds don't compare all that badly to locals casinos. The answer almost certainly varies from casino to casino based upon the surrounding market.
     
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    While living in Orlando, my father and I went once the first year it was open. Blew through $20 on quarter slots in about 3 mins and left. Never went back even though I drove past it a dozen times a year. Now I live in Tampa Bay and am no more likely to go.
     
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    You really are a shill for these guys Chump...Hmmmm.
     
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    Rumor,

    As far as I know, there is no prohibition against the size of a casino anywhere. HR started as a small bingo hall back in 1979 with no money. They grew because of their appeal generating demand. They had no inheritance, subsidy or support from anyone. Their debt ratio is a fraction of any casino in Nevada. No, there is no casino competition for them here in Florida and I doubt if there ever will be as the powers that be here don’t want another Vegas. Slot returns are obscure but they generally follow the relative values of the more recognizable paytables of VP. Look up free VP and tell me where the Strip is beating HR. Overall, Florida requires an 80% minimum return whereas Nevada is only 75%.

    GS,

    I’ve got you beat. I have dropped $1K playing VP at the Bellagio in less than 30 minutes. I saw a fellow who had hit for over $730,000 on Monopoly at HR last weekend.

    Gino,
    Again, I won’t defend any casino anywhere these days but we should be fair in comparing them. The Golden Years for us low rollers was 20 years ago. I think we should all play where we enjoy it the most. All I'm saying is there is nothing anywhere else that is any more appealing to me than what we have in our own back yard and I have played a great deal as a VIP on the Vegas Strip, the Beau in Biloxi and HET in St. Louis. I don't care if I ever see any of them again as they are nothing like they once were.
     
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    You're missing the point. The issue isn't prohibitions on size. It's the sheer legality of gaming. Why are Winstar, Foxwoods, etc so big? It's because they were built when they had no legalized competition! When you're in the middle of nowhere and you are a draw for a huge metro area or two you can be pretty dang big

    Plus there are absolutely laws that effectively limit size in some jurisdictions. E.g. the state of Illinois limits how many gaming positions a casino can have. Why build a 200k sq ft casino if you're only able to have 1000 slots and 20 tables
     
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    Rumor,

    I really am missing your point. Gambling was legalized in Nevada in 1931. The enormous Hoover Dam project brought people into the middle of a desolate desert which put Las Vegas on the map. Vegas held its monopoly on gambling for a number of decades. Vegas would have never survived were it not for the highly populated adjacent California. The last thing Vegas wanted was for other states to open casinos. The Seminoles didn’t receive their Class III license until 2009. They have been quite successful and now have a larger casino with more machines and tables than any in Nevada after just eight years at a time when there has never been more competition among casinos nationwide. I can’t see any unfair advantage favoring the Native Casinos.

    My viewpoint is that Vegas turned to building the largest hotels in the world with an average of just 120,000 sq ft of gaming space. The operators there have proven to be more interested in the array of hospitality venues than gambling. They have done an outstanding job in drawing people to Sin City. We have thoroughly enjoyed Vegas many times but have had our fill of them recreating it every ten years.. What we have left is our attraction to the casino and we have one right here at home as good as any for our purposes. I hope you enjoy your favorite places as much as we do hopping into our car at the drop of a hat for a few hours of gambling. Best Wishes to you.
     
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