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Guy folds for two chips more...what did he have?

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by remmerde, Apr 28, 2017.

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  1. remmerde

    remmerde VMB's Resident Cigar Sommelier

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    Not really a "what would you do" hand, but a noteworthy bizarre play by an opponent.

    Setting: at my local, playing 1/2 NL. I've been there for an hour, slowly bleeding and topping up a bit, but just won a sizable pot to get me back slightly above even for the night.

    Two players sitting out. So six players in this hand. Two villains in this hand.

    V1 is UTG: Somewhat young guy. Just sat down a few hands ago. Looks to have about $240 after buying in for $250.

    Hero is in the cutoff. Stack about $400.

    V2 is button. Stack about $270. Middle aged asian guy who's been to my left the entire time. Seems solid, but not really tricky. Usually c-bets his raises, but slows down fairly quick. Seems distracted by his wife stopping by the table a couple of times to say god knows what in Mandarin or whatever.

    Hero is dealt Ts Th.

    Preflop, UTG raises to $10 Not having any info on the new guy, I flat. Button three-bets to $30. UTG calls the $30, so now I'm easily priced in to try and spike a set. I also call. About $90 in the pot.

    Flop: Td 5s 6c

    Well, hello there. Top set and a rainbow flop. UTG checks and I check also. Expected the button to c-bet, but he checks as well.

    Turn: 7s

    UTG checks but has an interested look. I decide to check as well, as I felt like the button was looking at his stack in anticipation to bet, and I'd love to get both players putting chips in before I check-raise. Button does indeed bet half the pot, $45.

    But no chance for me to check-raise, as UTG goes all in for about $160 more! Now this is 1/2NL, so it's not at all a consideration for me to fold here. Too many players at this level at this casino get it in really light. And at this point, I'm almost 100% certain I have the button beat, so I want him to call. I didn't really look to see how much he had, so I just call UTG's all in, thinking I have a better chance of the button calling if I don't re-raise.

    And he indeed does call. But only once the chips are cut out, do I see the button has only $10 left. Two red chips.

    River: 9c
    Final board: Td 5s 6c 7s 9c


    Yes, scary river, but no matter, given the pot and how much my opponent has left.

    Normally in this situation, I'd just toss in a green chip to put my opponent in, knowing it's call 100% of the time. But for for some reason, I instead announce all-in, with no move towards my chips at all. Don't know why I did it. And what happens next...well, to quote Jonathan Winters in It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, "You just are not going to believe what I'm about to tell you."

    The button folds. You read that right. He folded to a $10 bet into a $700+ pot. Probably mathematically incorrect even if he only had king high.

    UTG shows pocket fives and I rake in a big set-over-set pot.

    Button looks down at his two red chips, turns them over like he doesn't know what they are. Button makes no comment and gets up to leave.

    My only guess is he thought he had $105. And that he thought my all-in on the river would have required him putting a lot more than $10 in. But I don't know. At the end of the night, I wished I had chased him down as he left and offered him $25 just to tell me what he had.
     
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  2. NeonTurtle14

    NeonTurtle14 Hot Dogs and Buns

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    Yeah that's a head scratcher LOL.

    I know sometimes I just know I am not good, and will make folds like that when I dont want to lose even $10 more into a $700 pot, no matter what the math says the right play is. Maybe he has 32 spades (does your card room have a bad beat jackpot? i see people playing crap like this all the time in my local poker room since they have BBJ), caught a flush draw and the bottom end of the straight draw on the turn, whiffed on the river, and realized playing the board was not going to be worth losing even $1 more. Maybe he needed that last $10 to get his wife and him a cab ride home and he told her he wouldn't lose the last $10 (in Mandarin of course). Maybe he had some Ace high hand that he just gave up on. Your comment about him slowing down quickly... when he knows he isn't good, he doesn't want to lose even a little more... the all-in part may not have even mattered.

    Edit: Also decided 22 or 33 might be a possibility... when he realized at least one of you wasn't just betting with air or a busted draw, he bailed.

    Nice catch, and nice pot for you.
     
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  3. spicole

    spicole No shirt, no shoes... NO DICE!

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    It was probably a busted flush draw.

    I am also not sure about "probably mathematically incorrect even if he only had king high". He assumes one of you will certainly beat his unpaired busted draw and saved the ten bucks.
     
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    Sounds like As-8s to me.
     
  5. Nevyn

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    Yeah, that's got to be a missed backdoor flush. The 2 callers freezed him out of his c-bet with AK spades, he picked up the backdoor draw, semi-bluffed it, and with the raise and a call had a half decent price to draw for it. No point in the re-shove for 10 as it is always called.

    And he bricks the river, and already has you on at the very least an overpair. Any pocket pair beats him, there are 4 to a straight, and you've called a bet, a 3 bet pre, and a 3 bet on the turn. The odds are stupendous, but there is no way his hand is ever good there.
     
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    You think he folded a river straight?
     
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    Excellent! My $10 bet got a better hand to fold! :)
     
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    Whoops! I meant As-Ks.
     
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    Yeah, I'd say busted flush draw.
     
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