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Grabbing Great Beer Downtown

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels' started by wasilla, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. AyDee

    AyDee is getting too old for this

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    I think I asked, and am afraid I know the answer,
    none of those brewpubs you talk about have any VP, right, @wasilla ?

    though I guess, knowing you, that really speaks highly of the beer.
     
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  2. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I usually start my MSS stays by tasting their current Seasonals. Helps to plan my day.
     
  3. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    Tenaya Creek, Banger, Hop Nuts, CratHause, and Able Baker do not have any VP. I do pay for beer there, and, yes, that means it's good. I have had a lot of comped Banger and Tenaya's Brown in the past at El Co. Benny's probably still has Tenaya's Haulin Oats comped for players. I'd suggest trying Chicago Brewing. I find their IPA better balanced than 777 and their other beers all have fans. The .25c 9/6 prog DDB is a much better game at the bar than most DDB along with their .50c and $1 10/6 DDB. Bar food is good and you can pay with comp dollars. Their cocktails and wine are also decent.
     
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  4. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I don't know that it is bad. If I were living in Asia, it would probably be a treat. I consider it mundane and there is nothing I would buy. Hugo's is more into their cocktails and wine. What do they call the wine experts that help customers select a wine? Hugo's has one.
     
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    i agree with THIS guy. (about Chicago Brewing Co). That is one of the top 5 IPA’s I’ve had. And the rest is true as well.
     
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  6. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    To get to CraftHause, head south on Main from Hop Nuts, take the first left, walk a few yards.

    To get to Able Baker, go back to Main, turn left, head south past the traffic light, it's on your right after a few minute walk.

    If you're taking the bus back to Fremont, the nearest stop is a couple minutes south of Able Baker, on Main, near The STRAT .

    Enjoy!
     
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  7. wasilla

    wasilla Low-Roller

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    I think I may have inadvertently set off a MSS backlash. 777 advertises and actually serves beer in pint and 23oz glasses. The casino bar, BHB, has had glasses that look like pints, but aren't. I think that there is a bit of deception there, and only Jose seemed aware of actual serving sizes when I asked the bar staff about it. I, however, am not aware of the BHB beers being advertised as pints.
     
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  8. johnvic

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    That's a Sommelier, although there are different levels. There is an effort have a beer version called a Cicerone. But it isn't as popular at all.
     
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  9. gutshotSF

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    I guess I will go for a cocktail then! This is a great thread and admins should consider making it a sticky post for future reference.

    But by the way, we have a thriving (to the point of over-saturation, at least for some beer styles) craft beer scene in Beijing. ;-)
     
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  10. wasilla

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    As you know, I visited a much older China. Beer was all mass produced, sold in 22oz bottles, and could be as cheap as 3 for $1 in the rural hole in the wall restaurants. The streets were full of bicycles. I'm sure nothing is the same, but glad the beer improved.
     
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    Hugo's has some decent bottles of beer, but nothing on tap. I like Banger Brewing a lot. I had a rye IPA at 777, that was one of their rotating taps, a couple of weeks ago. It was VERY good. I also really like their Carlsbad IPA and their Marker Pale Ale. Love the Hardaway IPA at Chicago Brewing Company.
     
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    I think that Tring already does a lot of this. Getting good comped beer for minimal exposure is a specialty of his. My places for both good beer and VP are:

    1. Chicago Brewing a 4Q's. Huge comped beer pours, love their IPA's, decent cocktails, the .25c 9/6 DDB progressive is often +EV, the 9/7 DB prog can also be +EV and .50c and $1 40/10/6/ DDB are +100% with points.
    2. BHB at MSS playing .25c JOB. The SC's put this game basically even and point multiplier days and FP makes it +EV. Several players have their favorite in house beer, they have a decent bottle selection and they make good cocktails.
    3. Vue Bar at the D has some decent beer and the 8/5 BP progressives are usually +EV.
    4. The floor of GG has the same 8/5 BP progressives as Vue Bar, but a better selection of beer is available.. If you can get it.
     
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    GG comps these great beers on the floor? I had no idea thats amazing......Bells Two Hearted, a Firestone, and Duvel? :licklips::beer:
     
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  14. Viva Las Vegas

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    Excellent thread and posts, as always Wasilla. Your tastes run similar to my tastes in beer, and I concur and appreciate your posts. I also take vacations that revolve in part or wholly around breweries (Midwest, California, hope to soon hit Belgium). I also prefer paying for beer, non gaming and NON SMOKING vs. "free / comped" beers. Vue Bar is one of the few exceptions, due to positive EV VP and Stone IPA, one of my favorites among widely available IPAs (and typically the highest priced at your package store among nationally distributed WC IPAs). I also prefer draft over bottle / can, prefer can poured into a glass over bottles to minimize oxidation.

    Your posts here and your awesome trip reports have added a few new options to a very experienced beer consumer in the valley (both breadth and time in Vegas). I appreciate your input and know my upcoming trips will be improved based on your suggestions.

    Here are a few points I would like to add, and a question:

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    • Question: MSS - Are there ever Boars Head 777 draft pour options NOT available at the brewpub? I do know they typically have a broader selection at the BrewPub.
    • QQQQ - Will try Chicago Brewing for the first time. Have avoided in the past due to cigar smoke, will try to hit Summerlin location for a broader selection (hope it is non smoking). Will only add Lagunitas is my go to on the floor from cocktail waitresses. Sierra Nevada has never let me down in the past, and their Pale Ale is widely available throughout the valley and available on the floor at most casinos.
    • The D's Vue Bar: I don't like Alaska Amber, but really like Stone IPA at the Vue Bar. Check their other tap handles for different / possibly better options.I typically only play upstairs, downstairs is too loud and I don't like the music played. I do understand if it's too loud, you're too old, but unless you are wasted, not sure how that volume is appreciated by anyone.

    Breweries / Restaurants
    • Teneya Creek: If you are new to craft beers, or like a low ABV pour, their GABF winning Pilsner is a great option. Great to see breweries shift some attention to session beers.Tuesday is pint night, great prices if you want to stay for a few hours. Also, they typically have good/great to go beers from other CA/NV brewers in addition to their product.
    • Banger Brewing: To unique styles you will rarely find elsewhere are their El Hefe, a Jalapeno Hefeweizen, and their Coffee Kolsch (Morning Joe), the later also recommended by Wasilla. Their stouts are more expensive and are hit and missed. Drain poured their Jalapeno Stout, was god-awful.
    • Hop Nuts: Many of their selections are New England IPA style, popular these days (also known as juice box). While I typically eschew this style, their offerings are typically more balanced than some extremely sweet beers found elsewhere. Revision Brewing in Reno also has a good lineup of balanced NEIPAs. A more bitter West Coast IPA is more my style.
    • CraftHaus: I didn't like the three pours I had from this brewery (one packaged, and two draft at their Henderson location), but will give them another chance.
    • Able Baker: Wasn't open in July, looking forward to visiting.
    • Pizza Rock: They have great bottle and typically have a few solid draft pours available, the latter discounted at HH. If you are already buzzed and palate is gone, they sell 32 oz PBRs at HH for $4 (3-6 and 10-close). I sheepishly admit to having the latter at times.
    • Atomic Lounge: Loved the original, and the reopened version who had a great manager and broad / excellent tap list for the first few years of the new operation. This list has dropped over the past two years, we still may check it out but it's 50/50 whether there are 1 or more beers worth trying.
    In Chicago, Cicerone is very important. Many brewers have taken these courses to either work at and / or start their own breweries. Many in the industry including my brother who works for a major distributor also holds this distinction, and helped him advance in management and expanded his exposure in the market. I have no knowledge regarding Sommeliers, but just addressing the popularity and relevance of the Cicerone program in the industry, at least in Chicago.

    I do agree a Sommelier is much more common Front of House, primarily due to the higher $s involved regarding wine sales vs. beer servings at a higher end restaurant.
     
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    Ill disagree about Atomic Liquors, Viva Las Vegas, Ive been every December for the past 4 years, maybe longer. Every time im in the list is stellar. not every beer mind you, but there is always something new, that I, being from the east coast has not had.I recommend giving it another shot. The crowd will wear me out quick though!
    Im loving all the info on here, much of which I already was aware of, but definitely some good new stuff as well. Im in town Dec 14-21. Would love to share a craft with other beer lovers. Im also into the beer vacations, and always make it a part of my yearly vegas trip. I have been to Belgium 3 times now as well as many other US and European areas. Prost Oh also, there are 4 levels of Cicerone. the first level is recommended for servers, and from what i hear I could probably pass the test with out studying the 2nd is more a taste, identifying off flavors, so geared more towards Brewing Pro's. the 3rd is supposed to be very difficult and and the 4th was recently added, I dont know much about it, but ive been told by someone in the industry that there are only a handful of the Master Cicerones, the 4th level.
     
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    Great thread. I'll second the Jefe from Banger. I really love it, and had on tap at Pizza Rock last trip. Also, at BHB, not all the 777 pours are available. The Double Down (their Hefenwiezen I think) is not poured at the bar. No idea why.
     
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    You would have really loved Atomic when Rose ran the bar. We still try to hit Atomic, it's just not the go to it was in the past. The guest taps at Tenaya Creek, and the ongoing draft lists at Khourey's (Henderson) or the two Aces & Ales locations typically run better these days.

    Do you have any suggestions for Lambics or Trappist pours in Vegas? This is one area where I find Vegas lacking, though I make up for it with West Coast pours I can't secure in Chicago. .

    Great explanation on the Cicerone Program, my brother is a Level 2 I believe (or three - he talked about that in the past will check to see if he ever took that on). He's been in the industry since graduating college, has really fun / good experiences entertaining clients (and thankfully family is able to tag along at times) over the years.
     
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    The Double Down hefe is available at the Boars Head bar. Has been for at least 3 years now I think. Still was on last trip in nov.
     
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    Thank you for commenting on this. I'm glad that Cicerone is more popular than I thought. On my last few trips to Chicago I was pretty impressed with the beer scene!
     
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    No luck on any Lambics in Vegas, i feel like i got a pour of Rochefort 10 at Atomic last year, but I could be mistaken. I remember they also had a couple of nice west coast sours as well. I have been to Tenaya, but its been a couple years, so I might venture back this year. Never been to Khoureys. I dont rent a car, and it seems like a good haul even in an Uber. Ive bussed down to Henderson and back. One of these days I have to do a Chicago beer trip. Every time Im there, i have a friend there, and he just isnt into hunting down the crafts.
     
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