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Discussion in 'Slots' started by shawn_d, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. shawn_d

    shawn_d Low-Roller

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    I've toyed casually with slots on past trips - usually stick $5 in the machine and watch it evaporate. This time, I would like to spend a little more time playing, specifically since I have a few hours every morning open. Is there something I should read / know before I do this? Any machines better than others? I'm staying at Luxor if that makes a difference. Sorry for all the silly questions...
     
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    Seriously though obviously there's no real strategy for playing slots. You'll find people have certain preferences for machines, and some people employ some bankroll/money management strategies. For instance some people may only put in a 20 on a machine, and if they hit anything cash out the ticket and start over. Some people may leave a machine after X amount of dead spins. Some people will camp on one machine for an entire trip. There's no real benefit in terms of winning more on any of these strategies. Although you could argue the more you're moving from machine to machine the less time you're actually playing and if you don't have a bunch of credits in the machine you're less likely to dump winnings back in, but again that's more about bankroll management and it isn't going to help you actually have more winning spins or bigger wins.

    The only real strategy that can come into play for slots is game selection. Some games are high volatility (fewer winning spins, but bigger wins and win potential) and some are low volatility (more frequent winning spins, but smaller wins and win potential). Depending on what you're looking for in your slot session and what you find entertaining, that will determine which types of machines you should be seeking out. Game selection is the only real decision to make when playing slots, outside of that it's just random luck.
     
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  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Not silly.....

    Here is the thing.

    Higher denomination have a slightly better payback vs house hold. But, bigger bets means your risk of ruin (going broke) can happen faster.

    Lower top prize means you have a better chance of coming out ahead. But, a higher prize is tempting in that you can bet a few bucks and win a million $$.

    Older 3 reel often pay better, but are sometimes boring to some folks.

    If it is a named/celebrity slot, chances are they have to pay a little bit to that person, therefore your odds just dropped.

    Find something that does not have a high win number of progressive and your chances of playing longer go up.

    Sadly, some of the "penny" machines do have some high payouts, but you can not tell what they are.
     
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  4. DaiLun

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    Some thoughts from a slot player of more than 40 years. (excerpted/edited from a post I made in another thread)

    1. Is it really just luck? - YES, it's a matter of picking the right machine at the right time and pressing the button/pulling the handle at the right moment in time

    2. Is it the kind of slots you play? (buffalo, quick hits, pinball, dragonlink) - No, IMHO luck can come anywhere, at anytime. Look at my most recent trip. I hit for $5,000 (on a penny machine) within 10 minutes of arriving. The next morning I hit an $1,800 handpay at another casino. Twice in less than 7 hours.

    https://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/index.php?threads/lake-tahoe-6-7-6-9-2019-i-wasnt-going-to-post-a-trip-report-but.162899/

    What I would suggest is to pick a slot that you find interesting/entertaining. I find Buffalo (any variation) entertaining and "superstitiously", because I have had VERY good luck on them. $16,700 on a $3.75 bet on Buffalo Grand at Harrahs Lake Tahoe in December.

    3. It's really a matter of what you feel like and how much you want to spend. $100 lasts longer at minimim bet $0.80 than $4.00, but it depends on what you have budgeted.

    4. Your bankroll is your business and your business only. Now, there's a matter of "how long do you want to play on your daily bankroll?" That depends on your bet level and your luck. At $300-500 per day, you should not be playing full bet if you plan on playing more than a couple of hours per day.

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    Slots, like any other casino game, is a losing proposition. The trick to winning is "careful" money management. On my most recent trip (referenced above), the money was "more important" than earning Tier Credits, and I'm sure that I will "hear" about it from my hosts as well as in my offer decline, but what the heck, I'm "up" $6,000, enough to fund my next trip in 8 days.

    One additional thing. Look at the attract mode and understand how the machine "works". Some casinos pay according to lining up symbols by lines (I'll use the Harley-Davidson as an example of this), others by columns (The Buffalo family of video slots works this way). Understand the payouts and and "ramifications" for play, like Buffalo Grand. You MUST be playing $3.00 or more to be eligible for the Grand jackpot, if not, you will see it "Xed out" during the bonus spin, or Buffalo Diamond, where the max be GUARANTEES you that in the Bonus game you will get Free Spins with a multiplier. There are some machines, like the Silver Strike machine, that you need to play max coin (on this machine it's 3 x $0.25) to be eligible to win a Silver Strike.
     
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  5. shawn_d

    shawn_d Low-Roller

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    Thank you everyone for explaining it.
     
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  6. Shoppinsnowball

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    Can someone explain how to find out the volatility of a machine?
    I’m new to this ... I normally pick a machine with nice music and a flashy lights .
    Or do I want boring machines without the bells and whistles?
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    It’s an addicting, long term separation of money.
    No, slots are fun, and if you know going in the odds aren’t great (for casino gaming) you will enjoy it. Personally I prefer VP almost exclusively, but occasionally I do love me some slot action!
     
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    There are more scientific and detailed ways, but in general, look at the maximum you can win on a machine compared to the bet required. The closer they are, the lower the volatility tends to be, in general. For example, there's one machine I play when my money gets low that has a minimum 50 cent bet, and the maximum prize you can win on one spin is $100 on a prize wheel, with up to a max of 5x multiplier, so basically, $500 is the higest payout at 50 cents. That's a low volatility machine. On the other hand, there are some of these linked progressive games with minimum bets in the 50 cent range where your max prize is like a million dollars. That's a very high volatility machine, has to pay out way less often to get enough people's 50 cents to add up to the million dollars or whatever it pays out on a progressive jackpot. Put a celebrity or licensed entity on that like movie, tv show, famous person, then it also needs to pay some sort of licensing fee and needs to pay out even less.

    On old reel machines, it's pretty common to see several together with different pay tables. For example, there are some triple diamond machines I played recently that were all 50 or 75 cent max bet. They look identical. But one of them the diamond bonus is 2x for one and 4x for two, and on the machine next to it, the diamond bonus is 4x for one and 16x for two. Also if you look at the pay table on top, one pays 2000 for 3 diamond symbols in a row, while the other pays 10,000 for 3 of the same diamond symbols in a row. The former pays out way more often and is lower volatility, while the latter pays out less often and is higher volatility, but the max jackpot is 5x what it is on the other one.
     
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    @DaiLun NAILED it.

    Any machine can be in a bad spell, or a good spell. Luck. Luck. Luck.

    1) Don't think a machine is "due" to hit. We all have an embarrassing amount of hours on machines, and handpays are not the norm (even though we love them when they happen! Play as long as it's fun, get off when it's not.

    2) If you want to make your bankroll last, if you like a machine and it's letting you float (play the same money for an extended period) play it till it changes, or you're bored!

    If you keep feeding money into a machine, get off. Yes, you can win at anytime, but every time I get stubborn on a moody machine, it never works out for me. Now, if you're feeding money and having fun, and you want to stay on for fun, go for it. Just don't fall into the "it must be due to win" mentality.

    Play for fun (versus chasing wins) , play within your budget, stay on when floating, get off when hemmoraging. That's my million dollar advice from a non-slots expert :) (I love slots in Vegas.... 6-9 hours a day, but until I start coming back in the black every trip.. The slots win, ergo "non-slots expert!" )
     
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    If you are playing progressive slot machines, make sure you play max bet, otherwise you can't win the Jackpot. You don't want to put $1 in a Megabucks machine and pull the handle (it's $3 to win the progressive). If you hit the 3 Megabucks symbols on that pull you will be crying!!
     
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    I believe that the information is available from the manufacturer and provided to the prospective buyer as "sales" information. Perhaps someone that goes to G2E can tell us if that information is available to the public.

    Otherwise, it's anecdotal and passed along via word of mouth.

    I played for an hour on what I consider to be the "perfect example" of a low volatility machine.

    Sinbad (taken from the second floor at the D)
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    Bet level $0.50 - $2.50
    Frequent, low paying bonuses.
    I played for an hour Sunday morning waiting for the D Grille to open. I got bonuses every few spins, no more than 10-15 spins passed to get a bonus. Bonuses paid 0-$25.00. The largest pay that I got on this machine was $100.00, and the progressive jackpot is $625.00

    Even more fun when two are playing because there are bonus games in which you play against the other player.
     
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    There's a lot of good info here.. as they already mentioned.. make sure to read the rules/paytables. Volatility wise I personally like the 5 or 9 line old reel slots, either 25c or dollar denom that's up to you. Also another good source of "info" are the slot channels on YouTube... but beware they almost always just show the "winning videos" or just the bonuses and you'll think slots are like ATMs. I watch some slot channels just to see what's new or how some machines are played but without the expectation of winning like they show ;)
     
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