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Genuine question: why CET? (longish post inside)

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Basil, Feb 10, 2021.

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  1. EzE

    EzE Low-Roller

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    You only need Diamond for waived resort fees and that is relatively easy to do with a little play and some promotions. But the value of the program diminishes past that.
     
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    I get that, but I wouldn't expect a Diamond status at CET to get offers with waived resort fees at MLife. That's why I was focusing on the Diamond+ (and 7*) with the (again inaccurate) assumption that these players would have their resort fees waived if they were with MLife.
     
  3. EzE

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    This past year was a wonderful example of El Dorado screwing around with their players. I went from 5 nights CP Augustus Premium or Suites some times 250/100 FP/RC pre covid down to 3 nts Forum Classic 40/0 FP/RC in December and my play didn't go down, it went up. They are back to 100/50 FP/RC or $225 FP or $200 GC in Feb now, but my host reached out and offered me 4-5x that so they sucked me back in for now, but I'm going to be sure to play somewhere else to seed another property in case they go back to the December BS offers.

    The thing is COVID is actually the best thing that could have happened for them in a sense. They can blame it all on COVID and not their idiocy.
     
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  4. EzE

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    Diamond Elite and 7 Star most likely would have enough play to get waived resort fees at MGM. Diamond+ isn't that much more than Diamond to obtain. Or do I have them reversed?
     
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    Mlife offers/fees are still a mystery to me, I still see resort fees at the better properties. My partner has played much less and gets slightly better Mlife offers...
     
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    Thats odd, I know people who run like 10-20K coin in a trip and they have no resort fees. Pretty sure from your other posts you play bigger than that.
     
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    Varies, but was probably in lower end of the range on the last visit. I take advantage of multipliers and promos at CET.
    Maybe it's related to not playing at those mlife other properties recently, not sure.
     
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    I did the CET match one year and was able to stay at Ceasars. I played the same amount I would at Mlife for 3 nights and received nothing I would consider a good offer. If they offered a free room I was limited to lower grade hotels. I may have to pay a resort fee at Aria or Bellagio but the difference in accomodation is night and day to the CET properties. I don't pay fees at any of the other properties. I also find trying to figure out what I CAN book is waaaay too confusing. I pick a property and it shows me 20 different room types. I have to click on one and it says sold out or not available so I have to go through all the others. That is crazy. Why does it take me 30 minutes to figure out if I can stay on an offer? If I could book, I might split my stay with both but it's just not worth the trouble.
     
    REAL Wynn offer! (Not even a match) I am not worthy but will enjoy.
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  9. DrScorpio

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    Im barely diamond plus. Mainly with CET for free rooms / no resort fee. I would not receive that with Mlife, but would with Station casinos. I like being on the strip though.

    The loss of diamond lounges, shows and all the cutbacks hurt, but the main motivation for CET is the free rooms.
     
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    In order to get waived resort fees at Mlife top tier hotels (B/A/V ), one needs to play a lot more than reaching Diamond at CET.
     
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    I'm diamond +, and platnium with mlife. I have similar play as you. 15k coin in for a 2 night trip is my average for slots with some 100$ BJ or craps for a few hours each day.

    So i stay with CET because I like Planet Hollywood and flamingo. They give me mini suites at these places and i like the CET pool selection. I also like the diamond lounges when they were open. Another reason is sometimes my buddy/friends that go to vegas will stay at a CET property and i like to stay at the same place. Easier to hang out instead of wasting time walking/uburing to meet up.

    Also gives me the option of going to reno or lake tahoe, but i hardly every go there. Maybe once a year vs 10 times to vegas.

    I'd say i stay at Mlife 6 times vs 4 times at CET a year.
     
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    This is a no brainer for me. It’s all about the relationships I’ve built with CET.

    I am a 7 Stars so I’m very biased too.

    I have a great relationship with my host in Vegas. He takes care of all of my needs. If I need anything, he gets it for me. He lets me borrow his vehicle, he’s picked me up at the airport, we eat meals together, and we play golf at Cascata.

    The other benefits are great. No resort fees, free cruise, and all my comps are taken care of.

    I do go to other Vegas casinos to gamble. I like to “double dip” at CET with a stay at the Venetian in between. I’m doing this for the upcoming GGWU in Feb and March.

    Also I’ve built a good relationship with several table game dealers and enjoy being called a “regular” even though I only gamble once a month or once every 2 months.

    What better way to be a 7 Stars by hitting 10 “Diamond in a Day” sessions? The big key is “Don’t chase those tier points when you are losing!”
     
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    Great points in your post, and highlights a major difference between the Caesar and the Lion in how comps and tier points are accrued so wildly different in the Vegas market vs elsewhere with Mlife but mostly consistent with CR outside of promotions, which weigh heavily outside LV. There are a few deviations in Caesars Rewards at a few specific properties (like how harrah's golf coast went to flat $25 per TC on VP when $10/TC was standard on all but full pay machines in Vegas and most others) but for the most part, a slot TC is $5 everywhere and 1 Reward Credit is 5 slot bucks, or $1 spend, or 5 per $1 spend on rooms.

    MLife though, seems to award tier points at a much lower rate outside Vegas, but my understanding and it's certainly true for me with Biloxi, is that they award express comps at a much higher rate than Vegas. Then hotel spend multipliers actually have a chart, not a formula, and are wildly different all over the country.

    One of the things in my mind thinking through my original post was how much easier it was to earn MLife Gold than CR Diamond, much less D+. But I can see how the opposite could easily be true, and almost objective fact, for an AC area local, or anyone somewhat local to a CR joint. Seems like CR does the vast majority of their TC multipliers AND RC promotions outside of Vegas, where they give them away free like air, so for me, who plays at Caesars almost exclusively in Vegas, its $75,000 of coin in on slots minimum to reach low diamond. Throw a 10x multiplier my way and I'd make it on a weekend visit. (Actually you may be convincing me to finally go to AC for a multiplier weekend lol)

    Meanwhile, in my 2 night, 40 hour stay at Bellagio, I went from low MLife Sapphire to just barely shy of Gold without even trying. And earned like $12 in Express comps. At Beau Rivage I'll stay a few days and make a tiny scratch in tier but $150 in express comps. That actually works great for me because I can earn comp dollars on 'local' trips and spend them in Vegas where I can quickly level up tier. Anyway, my thought was how much easier it was to achieve MLife gold than low diamond with CZR.

    And all that said, I can definitely see an enormous edge for CZR for people who are local to the Caesars properties that do constant TC boost promos having a significantly easier path to status, especially for those close enough to visit the locals regularly but only hit Vegas a couple times per year. Obviously the tier rating alone at diamond or above has a lot of entitlements and benefits whereas MLife below platinum has few benefits, and those it does have are ambiguous and unknowable like my "free room upgrades" for MLife gold. Any time they put me in anything better than the worst room on a property they could always claim it was a free upgrade lol. But if I stay 5 nights at Caesars Palace as low diamond I can show on paper that I saved about $255 in resort fees and it's because of my card color.

    If the question here was "why MLife?" this, above all else, is what has pushed me away from CET. As mentioned in my original post, the #1 factor in me going CET once established with diamond and especially D+ was a free Augustus fountain view room is a much nicer and little bit larger room than anything below a suite at MLife in my opinion. Now it's "if you keep up your $5000-10,000 per day coin in, we'll let you stay in one of our tiny brown rooms from the 60s for FREE." Meh, pass. I literally consider Harrah's a much fancier product than forum and Julius towers, and when you start comparing THAT to a base room at Aria or Bellagio, theres no comparison.
     
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    I'm really a NOLA fan who periodically visits Vegas, so I basically like getting in touch with my host in New Orleans and getting five free nights down there. Vegas is an "oh by the way" destination for me, so I get to Diamond Plus with CET and Gold with MLife.

    I live in DC, so Horseshoe Baltimore is where I'm earning most of my CET points, and National Harbor for MLife.
     
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  15. AyDee

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    I guess I dodged the Eldorado bullet, so to speak,
    thought I got matched to diamond, boothling said I could, and gave me the card,
    I had explained I hadn't played any CET for 7+ years,
    thrilled, tipped him $7. (also, 0/2 on the mysterious NO COM offers)
    Never saw status upgrade, all offers still had resort fee.
    3+ unanswered e-mails to customer service later,
    got one answered with the fine print on "new customers only".
    Had finally been planning to try a stay at Paris or Cromwell...

    Read about new drink comping issues, and all the covid deletions (Esp lounge, 2 free drink shuffle).
    :eek:"whew, guess I dodged a bullet".. :cool: Did want to try to get out to NO to visit Tim Miller though.. (he was our cool GG host that went back to Harrahs)

    (tldr)
    Guess I'm staying downtown,
    (always had an issue w. those VP paytables anyways),
    (and giving Cosmo my strip play, and may poke at Ps Mlife offers they never give up on sending)
     
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    I do see the huge appeal for those with locals though,
    Me, o_O not trying to play card craps in SD, though would like to meet those podcast guys..
     
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    Great questions Basil, I am answering personally and without having read any other responses so as to potentially be swayed. We have been with CET as our main base of operations in some fashion since 2010. It started because of the ease of room comps when our gambling budgets were lower and our ability to use play from Atlantic City ( regular trips) to benefit us in Vegas (less frequent trips). Also with desires to travel to place like New Orleans, California, the Carolinas and even on day trips to Philadelphia, knowing that one of our favorite activities was available to us there as well was an added bonus. So that got us in the door and now the perks are still solid enough to keep us in the home. But as I noted in our last trip to AC, we are starting to move back towards the door to see what might be outstide.

    Downsides First:
    As to your noted drawback, truth be told we haven't experienced any of that yet. The drinks in AC are still the same as ever, and I honestly can say in mixed drinks I can't notice the difference nor do I get a hangover. That being said when we go to Vegas in May, we might experience some of that and I will be interested to see if it clouds my judgement.

    When it comes to rooms, my take is pretty much if it's free it's for me. Likely if I have to pay for all my nights out of pocket, I'm not going. We also don't need super fancy or even really luxe. Comfy bed, hot shower and a safe is good enough, especially in Vegas. This past weekend we were comped an upgrade to a suite in AC and it really wasn't something we took advantage of. Only time the extra space would be important to me is if dining is take out only. Otherwise the room is the room and we aren't looking for luxury. In LV even though we have comps at NOBU and Caesars and Cromwell, we prefer flamingo and Harrah's. Knowing that I can keep those lower tier level comps coming is important

    I don't play VP enough for the pay tables to really matter so I like to know how it relates directly to tier status ( which is one of your perks). I will play bartop 6/5 Bonus if I am getting good drinks and know how my tier points shake out way before I would look for 7/5 on the floor where I have to search for a drink and earn who knows what formulation of points.

    My AC host never seemed to have limited flexibility, but we never asked for a lot. Even hosts on duty have been helpful. We aren't the kind to just store Reward Credits for a big event, so if they burn our RC and then comp some other stuff off as well, that's a win for us.

    Upsides Second:
    Room Comps are our single most important thing. And our play at CET has us comped any regular room anywhere in the country nearly any day. All on an ADT of maybe around 500 ish bucks in Atlantic City.

    Program transparency is the most important thing to me. When I know what I am entitled to I can take advantage of that and maximize my benefit. So knowing I get a 100 dollar dinner every year, no resort fees on rooms, line cuts, lounge access, beach chairs in AC, and other ancillary perks, I figured last check I probably saved about 2000 dollars the last time we were able to use everything and that excluded better drink benefits. All the other perks lump together kind of under the transparency, the daily bonuses and the bonus days are absolutely ideal. And the the daily bonus keeps us at a property for a chunk of the day knowing that the bonus will also keep the status we like. Through tier match we are Mlife gold and there are no perks not related to play that we have found.

    The biggest upside you may have missed is that play across all properties counts towards your stay and cross applies for all comps

    Mlife comparison third:

    Bartop VP is Bartop VP so the paytables I have seen are really no different.

    Given our level of play we typically get comps at Luxor, NYNY or Excalibur and then discounts at MBay and Park. Comparing Lower tier properties, Caesars are hands down better and free for me.

    Never have a resort fee with Diamond even if I pay for a room, and again Diamond is far easier to achieve than any of the equivalent statuses. (Mlife Gold for instance).

    I'm not sure I would be on the level of generous free play and resort credits, but I would rather a totally free room than pay a resort fee and taxes and such and get 50 bucks a day in food (my most recent offer). I know it's counter intuitive to some, but I don't want to feel tied down to dining at the resort.

    I have never worried about back end comps and I typically get them after reward credits used.

    The machines make tracking the play easy for me and I usually play long sessions at the bar on one machine which makes it easy. Also they will check them for you at the rewards desk for all properties and they can be checked on the app too.

    Mlife negatives fourth:

    To us they are all huge drawbacks

    I would also add that comps are very property specific. We like to move our play around and with CET play in CET counts for everything regardless. With Mlife there is a feeling of being tied down to where we are staying because play there matters a lot more. We don't like that.

    For us we will never truly abandon CET, but if we were to look elsewhere in Vegas it for sure won't be Mlife, their drink issues are as bad or worse, their algorithm is wonky at times and when play at one property matters more that property better be awesome, so if we are branching out, we would probably move to Cosmo in las vegas.
     
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    Appreciate the response, and realizing more and more how much the local properties plays into the decision for a lot of folks (no local CET near me, so no impact there personally). However, I do question your comment on property specific play? I split my play between Mirage, Bellagio, and Aria, and it's all been considered together for my offers and comps (or I'm extremely overcomped). I've been told that play at the home property may have more "weight" for back end comps, but I've never experienced any sort of issue. Am I missing something?
     
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    Local will probably affect a lot of peoples decisions for Vegas. From what I've seen over a decade and moving around the country, the local CET properties have always taken good care of me. Not so much in Vegas. When I was less of a degenerate and not 7 Stars level, I actually played CET locally and preferred MGM in Vegas (this was before it was mLife). Eventually, I started playing more and making 7 Stars easily so with the free trip, I'd go to Vegas. This is how I moved to CET from MGM for Vegas. I was originally an AC player for local and free rooms, waived resort fees, free parking, lounges (Seven Stars and Diamond are much better in AC than Vegas), and comps were all a very good value for me and visit my local more often(alot more often). Vegas the benefits really aren't that big a deal: Rooms are cheap even with short notice, don't need parking, lounges are crap in Vegas, my play is probably high enough to get waived resort fees anywhere, and the comps weren't that amazing. But, it was good enough to keep me complacent. However, this past year it seems like they were doing everything just to lose my play.
     
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    My understanding is your main base of play is where you will get your best offers. So by playing very heavy at Luxor I won't get great offers at Aria and vice versa. And definitively for back end comps my understanding was the host takes into account your home property play. Also aren't hosts also property specific, like if I got a host a Luxor he doesn't get credit for a play or stay at Aria? I may have that misconstrued.

    The last time we were there however it did not seem like they lump all the play together for our offers. After returning I had 3 nights comped at Luxor (we played a lot there) and 1 night comped / casino rate at Excalibur (we played hardly at all there).

    Even still now, my offers don't even have balance within the property tier levels themselves.
     
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