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Fewer visitors to Vegas from California - LVRJ article

Discussion in 'Casino Industry & Development' started by blackjack4me, Apr 14, 2019 at 5:08 PM.

  1. blackjack4me

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    https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/business-columns/inside-gaming/fewer-las-vegas-visitors-coming-from-california-study-shows-1639732/

     
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    Interesting title. The LVRJ wouldn't allow me to see the story without signing up for the newspaper.
     
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    It’s the elephant. A friends’s family was “comped” two rooms, three nights at Aria. Had one nice meal $250+. The final total came to $700. Resort fees and parking took a chunk of this. Where is the value there. It’s like being on a cruise now..sure you get a deal, but there are taxes and port fees, get dinged on booze, but food is free.
    I wonder if less are driving in now, to avoid parking fees and are flying in more.
     
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    Don’t get me wrong Las Vegas is great and it’s an affordable vacation , but it’s definitely not the value it use to be. With gaming everywhere these days it wouldn’t surprise me that a percentage of Californians are getting their gaming fix locally and making less frequent weekend trips. A little less Nickel and dimming and providing more value for your buck would go a long way to reverse declining visitations.
     
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    If they ever build Casino's in Texas I will probably never go back to Las Vegas. Im comped very well but the whole new theme of being non themed has left me behind.
     
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    I can understand as we have cut way back. Michigan area including Windsor has some very nice casinos and the vp for the most part is better. I am sure California is the same. We are going to Lake Tahoe in October for our 7* and that is our only trip for the rest of the year. A few years ago we did Vegas 4x in a year now one time may be too much.
     
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    Not surprising. Obviously things like parking fees hit those driving in harder than those flying in. The biggest difference though is that your typical Californian visitor treats Vegas more as a quick weekend getaway than a full blown trip/vacation. They're coming in on a Friday night, leaving Sunday morning. They'll hang at the pool, hit the club, grab some good meals, and they'll gamble, but they're gambling budget is probably on average, less than what the average person who is getting on a plane on the east coast (and paying $400 just to get there) is going to bring. Again, it's treated more like a quick getaway, with the budget to match, rather than a full blown vacation with commensurate budget.

    Because of that all the fees, increased room rates, food prices, etc. are going to ding them more than those coming in once or twice a year as a vacation and getting better comps. Also when your "weekend getaway" starts running upwards of $1500 when all is said and done, it doesn't seem like much of a value.
     
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    OK, I'm not the mathiest knife in the drawer. Did the total number of Golden Staters decline or did our percentage of the overall visitation pool decline?
     
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    Well, it is a survey, so they can only deal in the percentage of the overall pool.

    But one of the things being bandied about a fair bit in other reports is that overall visitation is down the last couple of years. So if you have fewer people, and a lower percent from California, you likely have fewer from California.
     
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    Yep. I can certainly see that. It used to be that if you wanted to gamble...you had to go to Vegas. Had to. End of story (given that going to New Jersey is not on the agenda). Now, just drive across town. Or, if you now live in Charlotte, you can hop in the family truckster and drive three hours for a little Appalachian gaming.
     
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    I guess this makes sense - but again, the gripe with RF's and parking fees are kind of silly.

    I am not a high roller and I get free parking at the Cosmo and MLife, as well as TR (thanks tier match!). I budget money for these trips and concentrate my play to maximize my tiers / get what I want.

    I think the "abundance of local casinos causing offset in Vegas visitors " argument is weak. At my locals like Barona, Valley View, Viejas and Sycuan, the comps are nowhere near as rich. Yes, we have a few casinos out in Southern California - but I don't get treated as well here, even if I gamble more than I do in Vegas. Also the food isn't nearly as good, among other things.

    I get that proximity might be easier, but I don't think it's cause for alarm. If you love Vegas, you will still find a way to go.
     
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    Paying to park to play their carnival games...no thanks
     
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    I'd be interested to know the full story and percentages from across the U.S. Are the numbers across-the-board down as well? I read something recently about Atlantic City numbers being WAYYY OFF, like 40%, over the last quarter. Inflation is eating away everybody's disposable income, and I would think those who live closest and come to Vegas more frequently would have to cut back their total number of visits, like once a month vs twice a month. It doesn't help that it is becoming more expensive once you get there, but i don't think its the root cause. Us Die-hard Vegas'ers will always find a way to get there, but its usually only a couple times a years anyway, we just come with less cash and end up-downtown more often.
     
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    Yeah, I don't go to Vegas to gamble, I go to have fun and eat/drink my face off. Sure, I do gamble, but it's not the center of the trip. To that end, for those that go to Vegas to gamble, it's only natural that they're no longer going to Vegas. Frankly, it's better that way. Let them crowd up the locals and keep them thriving, while Vegas becomes more of an entertainment Mecca.
     
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    :thumbsup:

    So Cal has had commendable tribal casinos for ages. I'm not talking shitty rathole card rooms in the 'hood. I'm talking full-on casino-resorts from the near-coast to Palm Springs to the inland hills of San Diego, with all the bells and whistles (if not commensurate gambling and booze). I don't see the magnet-factor at work here. Or at least I haven't the past few decades. OK, maybe if folks just need to get their gamble on the lesser nature of tribal in comparison to what Vegas might no longer be offering them could be at play. We still need more data. Twenty years ago in forums like these the savant were saying Barona and Morongo were gonna kill Vegas. Didn't happen. Yet.

    Vegas is ALWAYS on the brink of pending irrelevance. It's been the mantra of the aggrieved since they started putting carpet in the joints.

    And these Californians are on track for their most Vegas visits in one year in a decade!
     
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    Too small of a sample pool. The drive from So Cal has been a mess the last few years, it is taking longer and longer to get there and back. Flying, especially with advanced planning, is cheap and way easier than putting up with that drive. Leave anytime Sunday morning after 9am and you are screwed! And this is any Sunday, not just Holiday weekend Sunday's. My personal opinion is that the drive has more to do with less driving visitor's than parking fees or resort fees. I feel that even bringing up the parking fee excuse is ridiculous, like any family is not going to come cause they may have to pay for parking. There are many ways to get the parking fees waived. You have to pay for parking in any major city, any resort / hotel, almost anywhere. I don't see Disneyland or attendance at Dodger / Rams / USC / Laker games slowing down because you have to pay for parking, and outrageous parking fees at that.
     
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    Don't use that logic shit, man. lol
     
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    Right. It makes a difference whether the proportion dropped because fewer people came from CA, or the same number from CA and an increase in people from elsewhere.

    The USD started getting strong right around this time last year, which is an argument against it being an increase in visitors from Canada and UK at least - there should be fewer.
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    Also depends on the survey methodology/sample, and if it was a good survey, they'd ask people why they'd be more or less inclined to go to Vegas, so they should already have their answer. That's a huge drop.
     
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    The appeal is going down for me, the prices along with the long flight from Florida is just too much. Seeding Wynncore next trip so I can get offers for encore in Boston.
     
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    Article is paywalled, but i'm not surprised by the topic. Many So Cal folks have traditionally left to go to Vegas on a whim. Like getting out of work on a friday.. "dude lets go to the strip!" and a few hours later they are there. That always had something to do with dependable cheap $30 rooms at places like the IP or the Westward Ho. And ample cheap eats, comped drinks and gambling.

    Fast forward to 2019, rooms on the strip on the weekends are lucky to find anything under $200 a night (and even more $$$ during events, like March Madness, etc) Everything strip-wise is luxury, not cheap or affordable. And on top of that, you have the nickel and diming effect of resort fees, parking, and poor gaming rules. It all adds up, combined with local casinos opening closer to home. Not to mention how much worse traffic is getting to Vegas. If you are going to shell out money to fly, might as well go elsewhere.

    There was a good article posted a while back about "Vegas's inventory problem", saying there is too much supply of high end and not enough low to mid range accommodations. I think this applies especially to folks closer to Vegas.
     
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