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Expected Comp at Harrah's?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by texasaggie07, Jan 9, 2017.

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  1. texasaggie07

    texasaggie07 Tourist

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    I recently returned from a 5 day trip to Harrah's and feel I was ignored. I had been recruited by a player development individual who gave me casino rate and said we would see what play I brought in. I played 4+ hours/day or more. I had average bets at craps of $100ish a hand and was on carnival table games for $100-$200/hand. At the end, they didn't fully comp my room and resort fees (king room in renovated tower, not a suite or anything fancy). They took off some room charges but also used my reward credits to do it.

    I lost over $5k on the trip but saw little to nothing for it. Is this common? I mean, the electronic system immediately sent me a much better offer than what was done for me on the spot. Disheartening when almost the entire casino (minus a couple private tables) was betting the minimum at the $5 tables.
     
  2. Scottndindy

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    I don't think it has anything to do with Harrahs. Sounds to me like you have a bad host. I feel the best way to deal with these scenarios is to know the questions to ask prior to asking for comps. If your first question is what is my Theo and your 2nd question is what is the comp rate on the room per night you will know exactly if you were over/under comped. Harrahs comp rate on rooms is one of the lowest on the strip.

    How many tier points did you earn?
    Is your 100ish a hand at craps what you press to or your opening bet. Does this include odds? All place bets or are you doing come bets or put bets with odds?
    5k loss gets you $500 in comps assuming that is greater than 30% of your theo.
     
  3. paperposter

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    first u will now get fee room just by using the rate calender.

    cet is tight on comping the backend unless u play or lose very big.,and light like slots over table players . honestly u were there 5 was it during ces or a holiday that might make a diffrence but u were at the minium for them.

    they will use ur reward credits first .

    how many teir credits in 5 days did u get .thats a big question.

    did u have them double check that u actualy had 4 hours a day at tables for 5 days at 100$ minium. if so i would said thank u if that person said no i cant help u. wait till the next shift and tried someone else.
     
  4. texasaggie07

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    Craps... $100 was opening bet before odds, numbers, etc. Didn't spend a ton of time on craps as I lost big a couple times.

    Spent much more time on tables and know I played one session of Let it Ride at $200/hand for about 5 hours. Played a lot of others rated around $150/hand.

    I had a couple days I played for more like 7 hours between morning and evening. I was there Dec. 16-21 so not a busy time. Casinos were dead. I would have assumed my theo would be decently high with somewhere around 25-30 hours on carnival games and 5-10 on craps.

    Tier credits of around 1k to 1.5k per day. Is there a better way to earn them? Seems such a grind as a table player.

    Any other properties that "like" table game players more or that I would be better suited to?

    I know I am no high roller but a $10k bankroll isn't your typical player either...markers for $8k were taken and not repaid at table...and had about $10-$12k in total markers counting those I rebought.
     
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    bad host. Actually that's not even a host, just a low level marketing staff.
     
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    Harrahs seems to be tight for back end comps. Our best from them is upfront offers to return and donate.
     
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    tables any mgm property

    but then numbers still dont add up for me .at that rate u should be over 1000 to 1500 credits a day.
     
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  8. texasaggie07

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    I was at 1000 to 1500 credits per day....tier credits. Earned the platinum card and had a host on duty offer me a diamond privilege card when she was walking around the floor.
     
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    maybe its new but i never heard a host offering a diamond privalage card in fact dont know what it is. either ur diamond or not. theres a vip card but thats differnt and cet hosts are that generous in my oppinion

    my point is at ur play level u should be alot higher int ier credits earned ,something doesnt add up
    and when u own a 1000 tier in one day the give u 500. so u should have around 2000 gifted too u.

    u probly could have or did platnium in a day at 200$ and playing the wurst odds off table games for 7 hours so something doesnt add up
     
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    something doesn't add up here is right
     
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    also i know i get slammed by some but a 10 k bank roll isnt alot at the level ur off playing, especial for 5 days unless u get real lucky and you said u were playing carney games,i can go thru 10 k playing perfect bj on a bad streak in an hour or so making it last 7 hours at 200$ a hand for 5 days for 25 hours or so thats amazing especily if ur playing continous and so ur rating and tier credits should be great and i would be shocked if i u sat there for 7 hours and they did ask u if u want something or a host didnt come buy and intruduce themselfs to u. thats just standard policy ,im just going by what u posted . i know cet inside and out so do alot off people here and harrahs doesnt get a player like u all day long especaly for 5 straight days. , host make money from clients there look for people like u. just my observation
     
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    Harrahs where?? I can't see what property you were playing at. Was it buried somewhere in your post? I think everyone is "assuming" Las Vegas.
     
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    i thought vegas too becuase he posted in vegas forum and it was so junket type so i guess we all assumed .if he did else were they should kiss the ground he walks.
     
  14. texasaggie07

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    The play was at Harrah's in Las Vegas. As stated, I played $200/hand for one five hour session at Let it Ride. I played other carney games for around $150/hand. I am sorry for confusion around tier credits. I was only listing those earned and not the bonus credits I received. I got more tier credits through the bonus ones.

    I was asked if I wanted to speak with a host but when they called the desk no one ever answered. Pit boss called multiple times and certain pit bosses introduced me to casino managers who would swing through. Never saw a host out prospecting the tables the entire time I was there. The desk was always empty other than one time they booked me a birthday dinner when I stopped by...wish I had gotten the guys name. When it was time to checkout they called someone on a cell at home who applied my RC and maybe $100-$200 dollars and that was it. I didn't expect the moon...but did feel they could comp the room and resort fees (room was listed online for $45/night with no offers).

    The card was a "Diamond Preview card." Found it in my wallet. Allowed all diamond privileges including the diamond lounge.

    I was trying to ask if I should have gotten more...I bet it is partly due to having a player development guy assigned to me who was not even available and they had never heard of.
     
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    yes u should have gotten more ,and u should have walk into the host on duty office and spoke to a host directly , cet always takes off ur rc first then comps the differnce, they should have comped your stay basicly .it had nothing to do with who booked u there. i still say the amount u played doesnt add up to actualy tier credits they gave u for ur sessions.im talking about the bonus points.
     
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    Thats pretty par for the course with Harrah and table games...hell, just about any proper won't give you shit for table play, unless your playing MULTIPLE blacks and VERIFIED with the floor supervisor that they have you down as actually playing that big.
     
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    Second reply after reading it all..
    Sounds like the typical bs...table games crew (floor supervisor, shift manager, etc) all kiss your ads because you're playing decently for a midweek at Harrahs.. but when the rubber meets the road, the host/players club doesn't give you shit.
    At $2000 per day for 5 days that's a pretty light bankroll for tables...Id suspect your play would get you treated much better at an off-strip place like Gold Coast or Orleans (where the table games crew CAN issue you comps)
     
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    I don't usually play enough tables at CET for it to be any kind of a factor in my comps, but IF the 1,000 - 1,500 TCs a day is only from gambling (and not from hotel spend, since you did say you were paying casino rate, and not including the daily bonus), then that's equivalent to $5,000 - $7,500 a day coin in on slots, which will get you a room at Caesars Palace any night of the week, never mind Harrah's.

    I know they like slot players better than table players, but that should be incorporated into the formula they use to give you TCs. So a TC from tables should be as good as a TC from slots.
     
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  19. texasaggie07

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    I did get free room offers with a small amount of freeplay and food and beverage within an hour of checking out...including for Caesars. So as a table game player it sounds like there is no real reason to have a host as they are not going to do anything better than the online offers.

    Is MGM really better for table game players? If so, what properties would you suggest for someone at my general play level who only really wants free rooms and maybe a cheap meal or buffet pass?

    Is there really a difference in what I would get off-strip and/or downtown? Any recommendations?

    I appreciate everyone responding. I am new to visiting Vegas...whole different world from comps in Louisiana, Oklahoma, and the Caribbean.
     
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    $5,000 of coin in is not that much - or so I thought. Am I wrong?
     
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