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Encore Mass. BJ and Slots Class Action Suit

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Casino Hotels' started by gs32794, Jul 15, 2019.

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  1. melbedewy

    melbedewy Low-Roller

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    If you cash out for $592.22 you will get 592 dollars in cash and a slot voucher for 22 cents which you can play off, take with you or leave for someone else. If you REALLY want those 22 cents you can go to the cage and cash it in. Foxwoods does the same.
     
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  2. illmatic9434

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    Quickly reading the mass gaming laws it states a minimum of 1 or 2 decks for 6/5 variation.
     
  3. Hurricane

    Hurricane Eat, drink, be merry and roll points

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    The few people in this thread who were quick to dismiss the suit and the lawyer that brought it obviously did not read the complaint. The MA gaming regulators have rules that apply to blackjack games, and those rules differ between 6:5 and 3:2 games. 6:5 games must be pitch games and single or double deck, neither of which are true at EBH currently. This is all clearly laid out in the complaint.

    And “Steve” isn’t involved in the business at all - he isn’t even allowed on property - due to his grossly inappropriate and predatory professional conduct, let alone checking the placards against MA gaming rules for a $25 blackjack table in Everett.

    EDIT: I now see others have posted that the complaint misstates the gaming regs. That could be - I’m having trouble loading them on my phone so can’t confirm.
     

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  4. illmatic9434

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    Mass gaming law states a minimum of one or two decks for the variation of 6/5.

    Whatever else verbal jargon I didn’t read.
     
  5. Hurricane

    Hurricane Eat, drink, be merry and roll points

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    Read Section 6a of the regs. The 6:5 game is required to be a pitch game. Also, it seems to me from the multiple references to “the deck or set of two decks” that the earlier reference to a minimum of one or two decks is a mistake, and the MA regulators actually intended for 6:5 games to be single or double deck. And why don’t you think about that for a second - why would the regs specify a minimum of “one or two decks”? If the intent was to set a minimum, they would just say “a minimum of one deck”.

    I’m not sure what “verbal jargon” is meant to convey.
     
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    How would 8 decks even be dealt from the dealers hand, as is explicitly required by Sections 6 and 6a of the regs?

    My bet is that the Wynn lawyers noticed the discrepancy in the refs and rather than getting the MA regulators to clarify their intent, took the most casino-advantageous position with a plan to defend it later, thinking that at worst they’d get a fine that would be dwarfed by their additional profits, and at best they would get the MA regulators to side with them and allow 6 or 8 deck 6:5 BJ.
     
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    I thought that was pretty weird as well, I just need to see how much more advantageous it is with two decks instead of 6.
     
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    Moderator Note: I just removed a bunch of off topic posts in this thread.

    Please remember to keep this thread civil and on topic, or we will have to close it to further comments.

    Thanks!
     
  9. Leonard_Bets

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    It comes down to an earlier section in the law as what they label as traditional blackjack is. Traditional blackjack must pay 3:2, unless it's a variation that favors the player and that will include one and two decks. Plus any tables that have non-traditional betting for side bets (match dealers hand, crazy 7s etc) and carnival type blackjack such as switch and freebet can be 6:5. Since we don't know which specific tables the suit is against we don't know for sure. I heard opening weekend 3:2 was $100 min and higher so sure most folks were playing 6/5 maybe none the wiser cause they never seen a $50 6/5 game and got all upset after the fact. If they can prove 6:5 was being paid on a 6deck with no side bets available sounds to me it might be possible to be looked at, but most likely will get thrown out. Maybe the players at Springfield can confirm if they have seen a 6/5 6 deck shoe game with no funky side bets. If it exists I'm either reading it wrong or it's a violation. The ticket in/out thing is a little crazier, don't think they can get away with rounding down. A nice Uber maneuver if they get away with that.
     
  10. Crawfordesquire

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    depends on what you consider to be a 'law.'
     
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    this claim won't go far. pretty bad lawyering. encore will simply say those getting paid 6:5 were playing the '6:5 blackjack variation.'
    a better lawyer would have done a 93A alleging unfair/deceptive business practices saying the 6:5 game wasn't adequately labeled on the felt. MA is very pro consumer and this type of action would probably be successful.
     
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    That could be acceptable.

    Personally, I totally HATE having to carry change around. Which is part of the reason I do not cash in TITO during the evening.
     
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    For clarity, state law in Pennsylvania does require 3:2 payout for blackjack...

    § 633a.13. Payout odds; payout limitation.

    (a) The certificate holder shall pay each winning Blackjack Wager at odds of 1 to 1 with the exception of Blackjack which shall be paid at odds of 3 to 2.

    Source: https://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/files/regulations/Final_Regulations_Master.pdf

    If I'm not mistaken, the law there also requires tables to be S17.
     
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    i know i said i was done,but i was at MGM Springfield today and they had 6/5 with CSM's with multi deck.....
    I asked about that and they said because there are gimmick side bets it's allowed. guessing that's the case at encore.
     
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    @notfromconcentrate PA laws are clear and 3:2 is mandatory even at a 5$ table. At Mohegan Sun Pocono even the blackjack variation games (Spanish) are mandatory 3/2
     
  16. Leonard_Bets

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    it was a frivilous lawsuit from the start
     
  18. illmatic9434

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    Like I said an embarrassing attempt, the guy was from New York and was upset he didn’t get paid at 3/2 it’s crazy.
     
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