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Table Games El Cortez single deck bet spread

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Bumpywx, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Bumpywx

    Bumpywx Low-Roller

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    I've played the $5 single deck tables at El Cortez many times and from I see, they shuffle after every second round at a full table. With that, you could reasonably up your bet on the second hand depending on what comes out of the shoe on the first.

    Question is, if I bet $5 on the first hand, and the count turns positive, will I arouse suspicion if I bet $10, $15, $25 on the second? Seems like at such low bets, even +EV could be measured in pennies....but I don't want to get kicked out. I'm by no means skilled in this regard, just want to have a little fun. I've seen someone asked to leave before but he wasn't at my table so I don't know what the bet spreads were he was using. I did see he had only green chips.

    Thanks!
     
  2. TXactuarial

    TXactuarial High-Roller

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    I've heard 3 to 1 spread thrown around as acceptable, and by 3 to 1 I mean $15 and $5, no more. I haven't been backed off there, but i play perfect single deck strat at $10 a hand and felt heat flat betting.
     
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  3. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I went from $5 to $15 after one hand (playing heads-up against the dealer), and they shuffled.
    I also bet $10 on the first hand of the next shuffle, and they, once again, shuffled after one dealt hand before I could even place my next bet. (Count was slightly positive).
    Consequently, I no longer play their single-deck game... I stick with the double-deck (which also permits DAS!).
    I haven't had much heat keeping my bets between $5 and $20... a bit of pit-critter "scrutiny", but easily deflected.
     
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  4. Bumpywx

    Bumpywx Low-Roller

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    Hey @topcard. Thanks for the feedback. I guess I've stayed away from the DD table just because of the higher house edge on that game despite the DAS option. But if I plan on doing any bet spreads greater than 2x or even 3x like @TXactuarial indicates, it may be the better choice.
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    Certainly, if you're planning to vary your bets, I think you'll realize greater success and less "heat" at the 2-deck tables.
    If you're going to flat-bet & just play basic strategy, then the single-deck game would be fine - even if they shuffle before reaching the cut-card.

    Unlike Boyd and others who deal a 2-deck pitch game & cut away 50%, El-Co only cuts away about 1/3 of the two decks.
     
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  6. bubbakitty

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    I’ve played a couple of times there in the last year. Start with 5$, win go to 10, win go to 15, win go to 20, and once up to 30 after winning at 20. It wasn’t a single large raise after a win / loss but a consistent pattern after a win. The Asian pit boss (lady) didn’t appear to like it and was like a hawk as play proceeded. So I just figured they didn’t like over 15$ a hand maybe, unless you lost of course! :D
     
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    One time I upped my bet from $5 to $10 after a win, and the Dealer called to the pit "Checks play!" :rolleyes2:

    This is how sweaty they are there...
     
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  8. Bumpywx

    Bumpywx Low-Roller

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    Not to derail my own thread, but in regards to the pit sweating small action...I was playing 25cent roulette there (when it was still 25cents) and this gal at the table had a stack of chips on 36. And by stack I mean, maybe 10 chips ($2.50). 36 hit. She pressed and put most (or the max allowed) of her winnings on 36 again. It hit again. I've never seen so many pit people come over to look and have so many scowling faces. I love the ElCo for their low limits, but c'mon. Celebrate your customer's wins. It's not like they won't be back.
     
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  9. jack v

    jack v Low-Roller

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    i think you guys are a tad paranoid, I was there last month , played many sessions and varied my bet greatly, I'm generally a progression better and several times got my bet up to $50-60( I normally bet $10). As far as heat goes, keep in mind they have to watch someone, and being the el cortez large betters are not that common.

    One time a couple years ago I attracted a lot of attention because I went on a huge run(for me), i was up maybe $1K and was betting maybe 75-80 and winning, the pit came over and would grab the discards and look at them with a disgusted look, then he told the dealer to shuffle. I said to the dealer and pit boss "well, I'm red hot, may as well leave my bet(it was about $80) and that I might win 3-4 more before I lose". i won that hand and the boss said shuffle again, same result(another grimace from the pit), another win, another shuffle and then i lost and dropped my bet back to maybe $20. I guess you could call it heat but really they just wanted me to stop winning, I dont think i was in any danger of being tossed, etc.

    I play perfect strategy but dont count and am unlikely to raise my bet if losing even with a favorable deck, nor am I likely to lower my bet when winning with an unfavorable one. I do notice the cards, especially aces at single deck(how can you not?)

    I really dont think you'd get any trouble from normal betting patterns, if you went from 10 to 50 and back down a lot , you prob would. Keep in mind I'm sure the pit people can count and they'll know whether you are, varying your bet without counting(like a lot of reckless gamblers), prob wont bother them a bit.
     
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  10. jack v

    jack v Low-Roller

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    i remember one time maybe 20 years ago at the old western(a total dump) playing the $1 tables betting 3 or $4, I bumped my bet to $5 and they yelled checks play. When i went to cash out (I had about $50, started with 20), the phone rang , they wanted to know the "damages". :D
     
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    I certainly do!

    If I think they're watching me a bit more closely than I'm comfortable with, I'll make a few "deflection" plays... but ones that have little impact:
    1. Stand on 16 vs. a 7.
    2. Not split my aces.
    3. Play $1 on the 'Royal Match' sucker bet (or whatever it is that they have at the El-Co)
    4. Press my bet on a slightly negative count.
    5. Double-down with 12 when I only have $5 out there and the count is negative.

    Make these kinds of plays when they're watching you and they tend to dismiss the notion that you pose any threat.
     
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    I was playing the $25 single deck game in April, usually had the table to myself. They must have had a pit critter assigned to that table because the whole time I was there so was the pit. Bet between $25 and $300 and when I played $75 or over they went from smiling and talking to serious and watching like a hawk
     
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    Did they shuffle on you when you increased your bets?
     
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    That same thing happened to me at Casino Royale awhile back. I think I took maybe $400 to the cage. I had to wait for "the phone call." It made me laugh out loud because earlier in the day I had taken maybe $3,000 to the cage at The Mirage and they didn't even bat an eye. The juxtaposition of those two events made it so funny to me.
     
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    Casino Royale is a total sweat joint. They do the 100x odds promotion on the craps table, but just watch what happens when a player actually puts up the 100x odds. talk about heat. every pit critter within earshot will be over there, and you even get the dice crew making comments trying to distract the shooter. even though they advertise the 100x odds promotion, they really do not want a player taking advantage of that and playing that way.
     
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    The western was a great place with a lot of characters, at one time they had a roulette table right by the BJ pit, i recall vividly one time seeing a midget running in circles around the pit screaming "I'm rich, I'm rich" cause he hit his number. :D

    There was always something interesting going on, lots of cops in the area, one time they arrested someone right out the front door(which was always open), the pit crew commented to each other that "looks like they got charley".
     
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    The only time I was at the Western, there was a sign at the cage which read:

    ATTENTION
    Pennies will only be sold by the roll.
    Thank you,
    The Management

    That, my friends, tells you all you need to know about the Western.
     
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    Just for clarification, does that mean they had penny coin droppers?
    I believe (from the cheapo vegas guys) the gold spike once did.
    because what the hell else would anyone want pennies for?
    making wishes in fountains?

    "Can you break this quarter into a dime, a nickel, and ten pennies?"
     
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    Call-out: "CHANGING 25!"
     
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    On our last trip we stayed at El Cortez for four nights. Second night there they pulled a similar stunt on me. From that point onwards we didn"t spend another cent there. My favorite Casino at that time had shot itself in the foot. No food, no drinks and no gambling was their reward. Binions was the beneficiary of their paranoia. Biggest laugh though was at check out, the Pokie Queen gave them what for, they had just upped the Resort Fee. Our booking was from several months previous and that was the amount she was going to pay, not a cent more. Felt sorry for the girl at the check out counter. In the end we paid cash for our bill { she didn't trust them using the credit card for payment.} We both paid half each and received receipts for the transaction. On leaving l did tell the girl that her day had to get better after that experience .El Cortez must learn that if you treat people like thieves they will be insulted and go elsewhere { with their wallets }:nono::nono::nono: