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Downtown Grand -- points vs. tier credits, slots vs. video poker

Discussion in 'Comps' started by JulianC, Dec 29, 2019.

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  1. JulianC

    JulianC Amateur

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    Just made a quick fact-finding mission at the Downtown Grand. Fortunately, I ended the mission with a little profit (thank you quad aces on 8/5 bonus poker). Here is what I know from direct experience on the casino for about the earning of points and the earning of tier credits at the Grand. Excluded here are table games, which are likely part of tier credit earning only and I did not have enough time today to gather a large enough sample size.

    There exists no direct correlation between points and tier credits. The earning of one is independent from the earning of the other.

    Also of note is that the only place a customer can find their tier credit status without asking another human who works at the casino (host or loyalty club desk) is on a machine's card reader, buried a bit in the options. One will find a meter and countdown for the number of TCs remaining to make the next tier (or maintain tier for the current earning period). Tier level is shown on the kiosks, but not the current number of tier credits.

    Coin-in rates per point and tier credit for VP and for slots...
    • VP (excluding what is left of the positive EV pay tables; that is an entire different discussion) -- $2 per point, $40 per tier credit
    • slots -- $1 per point, $2 per tier credit
    Grand Rewards has three tiers -- White (base), Silver (2500+ TC), and Black (25000+ TC). The earning period for TCs is six months -- January through June, and July through December. For every six-month period, here are the coin-in amounts needed to make or maintain the higher tiers...

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    • Silver: $100k
    • Black: $1m
    slots
    • Silver: $5k
    • Black: $50k
    Later, I will follow up with comparisons to other loyalty programs in the Vegas market. Again, remember that the coin-in numbers above are for six-month earning periods; to annualize, double the numbers.
     
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    Don the Dentist LV resident

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    Yep, the DTG decided to complicate things. Must have taken instructions from Boyd Gaming on how to screw up a players club.:thumbsdown:
     
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  3. alexm

    alexm High-Roller

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    I mean those number seem kind of right in line with the big properties though?

    Comparing to CET, If you figure they skip platinum as a level Coin in for base diamond is 50k for VP or 25k for slots in a single day. If you are spreading it out like a lot of people do. Base diamond can be done in 8 1k days so 80k coin in. If factored without bonuses however, base diamond is 150k Video Poker 75k slots. So really, super easy to advance at DTG compared to CET on slots. 7 stars is 750K coin in without bonuses for slots and 1.5 m for VP. While bonuses bring those numbers down a lot, they are still right in line.

    I think where DTG fails is by not simply posting the earn rate for both and letting the player know. Put it right on the machines like CET does and have VP say $40 coin in earns 1 TC or this machine does not earn TC and the confusion would be resolved.

    What, if any, are the perks of the advanced tiers?
     
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    1. DTG ain't no "big property". They don't even have a steakhouse!!
    2. Perks for advanced tiers? Yep free valet parking.
     
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    Philonous815 Low-Roller

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    From the Grand Rewards brochure: "Members earn Grand Tier Points at a faster rate on reels and video reels." That is all that the casino has posted. I just went beyond that and proved exactly how much faster.
     
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    Translation - Tier points on video poker REALLY suck.
     
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  8. 3OfDiamonds

    3OfDiamonds Vegas is Fabulous When You Degen Responsibly ;)

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    Waaaaiiiiiiit there’s still positive VP there? Is this talking about the progressives or did vpFREE2 unpublish the EV+ stuff that’s left?
     
  9. JulianC

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    If the positive EV VP is now entirely gone from the Grand, the Grand Rewards page has not yet been updated to reflect this. If the positive EV video poker is still there, the reports from elsewhere are that it takes five times as much coin-in per tier point. Basically, if you only play positive EV video poker anywhere, you need not even think about advancing in tier (at least not if your coin size is at least $25).
     
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  10. Yokel

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    Maybe I'm wrong but when I was there a couple of weeks ago, all the 100% payback games were gone. Best game was 8/5 BP. Someone else reported this to vpFREE2 but I agree.
     
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