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Table Games Do you avoid casinos with 6:5 BJ games?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by PALADIN, May 22, 2017.

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Do you avoid casinos with 6:5 BJ games?

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  2. No

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  3. It's gambling, so why do I care about the conditions?

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  1. merlin

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    You can lead a horse to water, but can't make him drink. Watching people play 6/5 is kinda like putting out a nice bowl of dog food and watching him run outside and eat shit...you cringe and think "man, I really wish you wouldn't do that".:D
     
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  2. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Had a nice laugh out of this one. Thanks.
     
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  3. PALADIN

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    Auggie, I think you've summarized what most people feel who equate Vegas with the Strip. I understand.
    Though I recognize that every casino exists to process its gamblers, I still find downtown and some of the locals clubs less obvious. We all have limited time in Vegas, most visits average around three nights and four days, so taking time to leave the Strip might seem to squander that time. However, downtown, which is where I stay and play, has a lot to offer. And I don't mean the increasingly tawdry Fremont "Experience." A trip downtown to Container Park to experience the fire breathing praying mantis (a night time event) is as much fun as the fountains at Bellagio, or a visit during the day or night to the Neon Museum for anyone interested in the history of Vegas is not to be compared to anything on the Strip. The Mob Museum also is worth the time. When I play, which is the primary reason I'm in Vegas, I want as even a playing field as possible. It's sad walking into Binion's, which when Benny was there and even after his children took over offered the fairest shake in town. Now corporatitis has set in and BJ is 6:5. Other clubs are starting to mix in 6:5 games. But there are enough other places for 3:2 and generous craps odds with low minimums. Eventually maybe even downtown will not offer any advantage.
     
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    topcard Vegas Has Re-Opened!

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    This is what I fear with the spread of 6:5 and people willing to play it.
    ...but, just as I did with the strip, should I find that playable 3:2 is too tough to find downtown, I will then migrate to off-strip.
    I spent an hour or so at Southpoint on my most recent trip... I loved the place!
    So - if the downtown properties ever decide that they want to match the strip re: so-called "blackjack" that pays 6:5, I will simply "move" again.
    (I'm actually hopeful that this is many, many years away, given Derek Stevens' very-public support for 3:2.)

    So long as I have 4 or 5 downtown properties dealing double-deck 3:2 at $10 or less, I will remain a downtown player, with the occasional visit to the strip and off-strip.
     
  5. flamingogo

    flamingogo Low-Roller

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    For everyone saying they don't want to be inconvenienced to go downtown to find good 3:2 games, they do exist on the strip! No, you won't find $5 minimums, but $10 and $15 minimums can definitely be found at TI, Tropicana, Bellagio, and pretty much every CET property (Bally's, Paris, PH, Harrahs, Caesars, Flamingo, Linq, etc.) - though they also have 6:5 at some of their tables, so make sure you look before you sit down. I've even seen the Wynn offer $15 minimums at times. (All of this was true as of mid-2016. Somone can correct me if something has changed.)

    I hate most how MGM Grand has turned all of their tables except in one tiny pit into 6:5; I'm talking about crowded $25 tables, and the gamblers are just too dumb to realize. I really fear what the state of BJ in Vegas will look like in 5-10 years.
     
  6. woodsie

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    It's not that hard to find a table with decent rules though. Go downtown and they are everywhere. On the strip it's just a matter of limits.

    I agree on not wasting precious vacation time but I haven't found that being picky on rules requires me to.
     
  7. Funstuie

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    I have in the past played 6:5 BJ but only because I couldn't be arsed going downtown to find a table. I just wanted to play BJ.

    Last few times i visited I refused to play any 6:5 tables. Downtown almost all casinos offer 3:2.
     
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    So, are all casinos from MGM and CET on the strip exclusively 6:5 now?
     
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    they seem to change things up regularly - I played Harrahs, Cromwell, NYNY and Ballys on a weekend 3:2 at $10 with surrender not long ago. they had 6:5 tables next table or two over
     
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    No, you can still find 3:2 blackjack at both CET and MGM properties without playing high limit, you just have to look around and check all the pits. I had no trouble finding it at Monte Carlo and Bellagio for Mlife properties, and PHo and Paris both had it when I walked through a couple weeks ago.

    All I saw on the main floor at Aria was 6:5.
     
  11. smerrian

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    Though I would never play 6:5 BJ, there is an argument for playing it...
    If the stakes are very low and the drink service is very good, your loss can be completely offset by the great time you and your friends will have getting drunk and shooting the breeze together. I go on solo trips...only house edge matters to me in my gambling.
     
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  12. Tatertot

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    I'm sure this is the exact mindset and rationale the casinos have for saturating the market with 6:5 tables. If people are still playing it and having fun, why would we offer better game choices?
     
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    Yes, I agree. But remember, casinos are a business and as such need to make a profit to survive. If your expected loss is offset by the extra benefits (ie: free drinks) you could actually be playing a positive expectation game. Having fun with buddies is a side attraction.
     
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    Exactly
    There is no reason to.
    If these tables sat empty they would go back to 3/2
    That's asking too much though with all the "tourist" traffic on the strip.
     
  15. merlin

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    I agree, I think they should go to even money blackjacks, why not?
     
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    I started to post that exact same thing
     
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    If you are a serious blackjack player logging sessions in excess of 4 hours at a time, you are obviously going to seek out the game with the best rules...it goes without saying. You can still find good games (3:2) on the strip at the green chip level and above. If you're a serious blackjack player looking for red chip action, then the strip is definitely not the place you'll find any tables that fit your grind game...but there are still plenty of options downtown and off-strip that offer great games.

    As smerrian said, the 6:5 games on the strip serve their purpose if you're a recreational (non-serious) gambler hanging out with friends and enjoying the drink service. Realistically, even at 2% HE 6:5 BJ is still one of the better offerings on most strip casino floors. Double-zero roulette has a 5.26% HE and the carny games (3-card Poker, Let It Ride, Caribbean Stud) are all over 3%. How many non-serious gamblers do you know that can analyze a video poker payout table and play with perfect strategy?

    I have friends that will rail against 6:5 BJ as the scourge of the earth, yet when they play craps they fail to maximize their odds and instead litter the center of the table with prop bets on every roll. At that point, you might actually be better off playing 6:5 BJ! I know that previous statement borders on blasphemy to some on this board, but looking strictly at HE it's undoubtedly true.

    Serious BJ players will seek out the game with the best rules that fits their bankroll and level of play, whether it's a green chip game on the strip or a couple of reds downtown/off-strip. There's something for everyone!

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    I have seen EVEN money BJ tables at Bally;s. And sadly they were full. SMH
     
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    The bigger problem is that people are now rationalizing this choice saying "it's ok because I can play $5 tables and have fun with my friends and enjoy free drinks, yada yada yada".

    You know what, you could enjoy free drinks and get paid 3:2 a few years ago on blackjack and play $5 a hand, but because they found out people would still play at 6:5, the rules keep changing. Under this rationalization that people are providing, they will continue to lower the slot payouts as well because if people will continue to play if it drops from 90% to 85%, why not? Then it will drop from 85% to 80%.

    Most non-serious blackjack players don't realize that the real drop rate on a BJ table is much closer to 20% for the house, because even the players who know perfect basic strategy don't have the bankroll or mentality to live through the variance that the game entails. Sure, the HE may be .5-2%, but when you can't live through 4 bad shoes in a row, or get impatient when things get rough and start pushing things, you are playing right into the casino. The house is not actually making 2% on a blackjack table.
     
  20. merlin

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    This is me, I start to lose and think..."gee, if I bet my whole stack and then let it ride again, I'll be even" it hardly ever works for some reason.:thumbsup:
     
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