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Table Games Current BJ Conditions on the Strip

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Buckeye Bob, Mar 11, 2017.

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  1. topcard

    topcard Vegas Has Re-Opened!

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    Bonnie - I did not confirm this on my last trip...I just know that I played it there a couple of trips ago & that it was a two-deck, 3:2 game with DAS...I had no idea that they had stopped offering it.
    Perhaps somebody here can confirm whether or not the game is back at the Nugget
     
  2. LoveDowntownVegas

    LoveDowntownVegas High-Roller

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    There is a DD $25 3:2 BJ (DAS) table @ Fremont. During the day it was a $10 table but many locals devoured it before I could ever get a seat. this was Jan 2017
     
  3. Buckeye Bob

    Buckeye Bob Low-Roller

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    Thanks all for your insight. It was as advertised. I got there Wednesday and at Aria, you had to play $50 and up to get 3/2. On Friday night and Saturday night, they jacked that up to $100 to get the better rules. I played at Planet Hollywood Thursday and you could get 3/2 on $25. Venetian Friday was $50. I didn't play at Bellagio but we did walk through there and pretty much the same. That being said, the 6/5 tables were jammed so no wonder the casinos keep expanding the terrible rules.

    For craps, there were some $10 tables at Aria during the day but $25 and up in the evening. On the weekend, I never saw less than $15 at almost everywhere I went.

    Hope this helps.
     
  4. mikeyvegas1

    mikeyvegas1 High-Roller

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    I am staying at MB in 2 weeks Mon through Thursday hope to find 3/2 at $25 but have been there on Weekend nights and it was $50. If not I may hike over to NYNY. I would expect they still have it at $25 all hours.
     
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    smerrian View from Bally's

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    CZR properties have horrible craps. Field bets only pay double on the 12 instead of triple on the 12. Horn bets also pay less. Instead of 2 and 12 paying 30 to 1 it only pays 30 for 1 which comes out to only 29 to 1. Bad field bets and bad horn bets. MGM properties have regular payouts so craps is much better there. If you don't play these bets you can still get a regular payout game from CZR (pass/don't pass, place bets).
     
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    i was at mgm saturday nite and tables 25$ and under were all 6/5 not sure if the good pit was moved too 100$ as i didnt go there but i assume they were 100$ or atleast 50$ and 100 for dd
    also whisky down only has 3 tables now and has live music.boooooooooooooooooooooo
     
  7. willslotforcash

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    The strip has become the worst place to gamble.

    Why beat around the bush, make all BJ tables $100min, and 6:5.
     
  8. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus High-Roller

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    There's a special place in my heart for Bellagio's $10/15 min 6-deck(usually CSM) H17/DAS/RSA/Surr game -- does it still exist? Haven't been there in some time.
     
  9. LB9

    LB9 PH Blackjack Degen

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    PH has a pretty good double deck 3:2 at the 25 level with other good rules if memory serves me correct, it's located near the north tower elevators I think. Great staff in that pit and the drink service there is amazing
     
  10. The Rumor

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    Mlife downgraded all the games like that to 6:5 at Bellagio
     
  11. HardAte

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    I'm not sure why that would make their craps horrible. The field and horn bets are TERRIBLE bets even with triple pay on the 12 and 30:1 on high/low. Serious craps players know to stay away from these bets, since there are 20 ways to lose in the field, only 16 ways to win. You would have to play the field literally EVERY craps roll of your life to make the double pay on 2 and triple pay on 12 give you essentially 19 ways to win and 20 ways to lose. NOT WORTH IT. Same goes for horn. Do I consider myself a serious craps player? Yes. Do I occasionally throw a couple bucks on the horn? Yes, only when I'm up. I don't rely on these bets to have a winning session. At the end of the day, this is not a deal breaker for people who understand how to minimize house edge and certainly doesn't make the game horrible.
     
  12. The Rumor

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    Triple pay 12 field isn't a terrible bet. it's under a 3% house edge. very competitive with place bets and buying the 4 and 10.

    It's massively different than the horn, which is a terrible bet everywhere I've ever played.
     
  13. HardAte

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    The problem with the field bet is you have a 1/18 chance on any given roll to hit the 2 or 12. If there were two ways each to make a 2 or 12 and they paid 1:1, that would be a different story. Sure, when they hit, getting paid double or triple is nice, but on any given roll you have 16 ways to win, 20 ways to lose. Like I said in my last post, you would have to play the field on EVERY craps roll you participate in (Tens of thousands for the average craps player over a lifetime) for the numbers to even out in order to say you were making a bet with under 3% house advantage. It's not worth it. The dice have no memory. At the end of the day, there are 16 ways for me to win and 20 to lose on any given roll. That's a terrible bet.
     
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    What are these mythical bets you are making at the craps table where you win more times than you lose? You lose 20% more often than you win when you place the 6 and 8. You lose twice as often when you buy the 4 and 10. You lose the average roll where you make a pass or come bet.

    The amount of times you win or lose is not terribly meaningful without also considering the payback.

    Why are you interested in your bets evening out quickly? If they do that all you are doing is paying the house its edge every time you make a bet.
     
  15. HardAte

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    I never said there was a bet where I win more than I lose. All I said is that the field is a terrible bet, which is true.
     
  16. blissfulignoramus

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    Guess if I go to the Strip it will be TI or nothing.
     
  17. The Rumor

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    You can actually find $15 blackjack at some of the CET properties. Flamingo and Bally's often have 3:2 at no more than $15/hand.
     
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    ^^ This is correct. During the day I've found quite a few at both properties, and Bally's "high limit" is $25 with excellent rules as well- I think Ballys keeps one of their HL tables at $25 almost all day too haha.
     
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    Placing #'s are not one roll bets. Placing 6 and 8 carries less than a .5% house advantage, up to almost 1.5% on a win. Buying 4 and 10 give you true odds, just like passline odds. Only house advantage there is paying the vig = minimal house edge. Even the 5 and 9 where the house edge is MUCH higher on the payout are better than a ONE ROLL bet where I only have 16 ways of winning vs 20 ways to lose.
     
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