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Table Games Craps minimum should be based on total bets

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by hippo25, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. hippo25

    hippo25 Tourist

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    IMO, the craps table minimum should be based on the players total bets on the table and not based on each individual bet. Rarely, does the average craps player have just a single bet on the table. So on a $15 craps table, a player should be able to place the 6 and 8 for $12 each ($24 total in bets), $22 inside, or $44 inside.
     
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    Too confusing for dealers. Their job is tough enough imo.
     
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    it's never been this way, and I do not see why the casinos would change their policy now. Either need to play at a lower limit table, bring more bankroll, or choose not to play if you are uncomfortable at that limit
     
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    I wholeheartedly respect your opinion, but I have to go with @VegasBJ on this one. If the table is empty, never hurts to ask if you can play at a lower limit though. :thumbsup:
     
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    Your opinion is understandable but I think it exceeds the capability of most dealers to keep up with player aggregate bets to make sure they are hitting the minimum.

    If we are being honest with each other, the only reason that $5 craps even exists right now is because casinos already know that players generally spread more than one bet. I'm sure they already have a well established benchmark of what a $5 game typically yields in terms of average aggregate bet per player.
     
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    Not to be rude, but "them's the rules, and if you don't like 'em, you can vote with your feet".

    When you open a casino, you can make the minimum bet anything you want.

    Casinos have reasons for making the rules (bet limits) the way they are . . . .

    I have never found it reasonable for them to set a minim bet limit so high that the table remains empty with three people manning the table, but I don't run the casino.
     
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    It's an interesting idea, and the precedent is there in roulette (i.e., the table minimum for inside bets can be met by combined bets on multiple numbers).

    I'm not sure it would work in craps. Craps is a little different in that different bets are resolved at different times and some are contract bets. For example, a problem could arise if I meet a $10 minimum with a $5 pass and a $5 field. If the field loses on a come out roll of 8, I'm now below the table minimum. The dealer also can't call me a flea and tell me to get lost at that point. That's because I can't remove the pass line bet (it's a contract bet that must be resolved one way or another - it can't be taken down like a place bet or hardway). If those were my last $10, there's no way to avoid breaking a rule - either I'd be under the minimum or I'd be breaking a contract bet.

    Seems like it could only work if you limit bets that contribute to the minimum to pass line and place bets (no don't, field, or prop bets, as those fall regularly during a roll). Place bets would also presumably need to be "always on" - else one could skirt the minimum by loading numbers with non-working place bets.
     
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  8. JulianC

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    With craps, I believe that it is not so much about the amount of an individual bet on the layout, but more about a winning bet returning at least table minimum. This is why a $25 min table will commonly have hardways at $5 minimum (and I believe all prop action just for the sake of simplicity -- even though hopping hardways, 2, and 12 each pay 30 to 1), and also why a lay must be made for more than table minimum.
     
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    I’m not huge on craps, but I know enough to know that tracking this would be a nightmare from the dealer’s perspective.

    If your objective is to play at a $10 or $5 minimum as opposed to a $15+ minimum based on the premise that your total bets well exceed the posted minimum, perhaps one-off lower limits could be negotiated with the pit since they are tracking your average bet anyway. I.e., your average total bet is about $50, so they can give you the discretionary privilege of allowing you to bet $5 or $10 on the pass line. Which of course they could reverse if your average drops too low.

    Naturally, this could become a fairness issue at the table if others complain “Why can he bet $5 but I can’t?”. But to satisfy your objective of getting a lower minimum bet when your average bet “covers” the posted minimum, this would be the least cumbersome approach IMO.
     
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    Interesting idea. That's how they handle bets at the roulette table.
     
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    Some dealers have enough trouble keeping bets in order when there is only one number to worry about.
     
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    It's all about the math. I had a conversation with a pit boss last year at a local place when they let a table sit open with a $15 minimum while people stood around waiting for a spot on a $5 table. All I asked was to see if they could lower it to $10 and then people would have played. He said that they look at the play on the other tables and decided they were 'making enough' on the $5 table that they could afford to let a $15 table sit unplayed with the logic that if someone does play there, they are worth 3x the $5 player and 1.5x a $10 player at minimum. There is also the assumption that $5 players play less numbers because they are already watching their bankroll closer and at $15 players are more likely to be bigger bettors so they are really worth like 5-6x a $5 player for the table.
     
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