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Table Games Craps - is this a good system?

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Funstuie

Funstuie

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So I am relatively new to craps but I enjoyed it the last two times I was in vegas. I normally only played BJ at the tables and I keep it simple in an effort to have fun and hopefully win some money but my main aim at this point is longevity. I'm not a great BJ player (I'm probably not even a good BJ player) but I have had some fun with some modest winnings and long sessions on initial buys ins.

Anyway, I decided to try craps and I ended up winning on 3 different tables (Flamingo, Wynn, and Cromwell) Last time I was in LV I played craps on a Friday night in the Cromwell and I was on the table for 4 hours. $10 min, $100 pot, when I walked away I cashed out +$300 but I had no idea what I was doing other than playing the pass line and covering odds. As I got a bit more confident I would follow other players and put money on the numbers. At one point I looked down and end I had 2 rows of chips and I would say I was +$1500 in winnings but I didn't have a system and copying other players led to losing. It was 4 am by the time I cashed out and I was relatively happy with my session. I won money but I also regretted losing as I wasn't really controlling what I was doing due to getting cocky. Funny side note - one of the dealers was a young lady and she was either new to craps or still learning the table. She was good fun (the whole crew that night in the Cromwell were awesome) and helpful but for some reason, she kept paying out $1 dollar chips and myself and the guy next to me had over $80 in $1 chips. The pit boss told her to color up and clean it up (nicely). So I had no issue with coloring up all my $1's but the guy next to me refused, he said he didn't want to change anything as he was winning. The problem was he was having to put chips in his pockets as he had no space left and a couple of times his red and white chips would drop onto the table. Next roll is a 7 and he freaks out and decides to leave. So now he wants to color up and starts pulling chips out of everywhere - his pants, his shirt pocket, the rack (the pit boss started saying to him "Sir this is why we prefer players to color up as it's easier and quicker for the table"). He's really angry and keeps telling the girl to hurry up. When he evetually left the table after loudly proclaiming that she ruined his game everyone cheered.

So I am looking for a system that will allow me to play longer on a small pot. I am not looking to earn big bucks I want to learn the game and the best way to learn is to play for longer.

I found this guide and I can't work out if it's at all good and as comments are disabled there's no feedback:


is this a good system?
 
Pass line with odds and place 6 and 8. Not much thinking involved and mitigates your losses. This gets you a decent amount of play and not too much thinking, You will be able to see whats going on and ask questions as you go along, No way around the house having the 7.

This system would probably work but its way to much thinking when you start getting some beer in you, no need to get too advanced. that will come with time.
 
C0usineddie said:
Pass line with odds and place 6 and 8. Not much thinking involved and mitigates your losses. This gets you a decent amount of play and not too much thinking, You will be able to see whats going on and ask questions as you go along, No way around the house having the 7.

This system would probably work but its way to much thinking when you start getting some beer in you, no need to get too advanced. that will come with time.
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Thanks to you my man.

Simple, quick answer works for me.
 
Early in the video he says "you can't bring down a Don't Come Bet" with the example number of 5. I may be wrong but I think Dealers let you take any established Don't Come bet down since you now have the edge on that even money bet. I see it all the time with Don't Guy's pulling their 6 and 8 down or just refusing to let it move from the Don't Come field.

And if you're just going to hedge like that why not play the Doey-Don't?
 
C0usineddie said:
Pass line with odds and place 6 and 8. Not much thinking involved and mitigates your losses. This gets you a decent amount of play and not too much thinking, You will be able to see whats going on and ask questions as you go along, No way around the house having the 7.

This system would probably work but its way to much thinking when you start getting some beer in you, no need to get too advanced. that will come with time.
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This is fine. Or you can do don't pass and place the 6 and 8 and pull them after 2 hits, then wait to see what happens with the don't pass bet.
 
Bungadin said:
Early in the video he says "you can't bring down a Don't Come Bet" with the example number of 5. I may be wrong but I think Dealers let you take any established Don't Come bet down since you now have the edge on that even money bet. I see it all the time with Don't Guy's pulling their 6 and 8 down or just refusing to let it move from the Don't Come field.

And if you're just going to hedge like that why not play the Doey-Don't?
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A "Come Bet" is a contract bet which you can't touch. "Don't Come" they will let you decide. On the rare occasion I play a don't come, I will replay it if it hits 6 or 8. I'll wait for a 4,5,9 or 10. The only problem with this is there are 8 ways to lose that bet, so giving it exposure to two rolls or more in a row is getting a bit picky IMO.
 
  • Size your bets properly for your bankroll, start with a bankroll of 20x - 40x your base pass line bet.
  • Pass line and 1 or 2 come bets (without odds if you're at the lower end of the bankroll size, with some odds if you're at the upper end). Placing the 6 & 8 instead of come bets is OK, but the come bets, while they're in the come box, give you partial insurance against the 7
  • Bank your first win on any number, then press additional wins on that number - when you're up, not when you're down. Same with so-called strategies - try them out when you're already ahead.
 
You did the right thing and followed the flow of the game.
Don't forget to play the hardways too. Nothing wrong with throwing a buck or two on a hard 6 or 8.
 
"So I am looking for a system that will allow me to play longer on a small pot. I am not looking to earn big bucks I want to learn the game and the best way to learn is to play for longer."


Easiest recommendation would be to play downtown or off strip where the tables have $5 minimums. You won't lose as fast and if you have bad luck at a casino you can just walk next door to the next casino to play.

As someone else mentioned, many of us just play the pass and odds and place the 6 and 8 and maybe make a come bet and odds.
 
Easy craps system:
Step1: Approach table
Step2: acknowledge dealers
Step3: toss a $5 bill onto the felt
Step4: walk away

Guranteed to always make you smile and win.
 
My system is even better.
My $5 bankroll can last a long long time, guranteed: never play Craps.
 
I'd be leery about "following the table" because a lot of craps players make a lot of bad bets. I'd stay away from all center bets. ALL of them have a large house edge. Throwing a buck or two on a hardway(s) won't kill you but you're still bucking the large vig. And while the don't pass is a tiny bit better than pass I'd stick with the pass line bet. You'll have more fun. Back it up with odds and place the 6 and 8 or make 2 come bets. That's the best way to play with the lowest vig against you. But the bottom line is it's your money so bet as you wish.
 
I play that "system" in the video you posted quite a bit. I've had some really good runs and I've had sessions where the 7 came on every roll I had the big Don't Come bet out there. It hurts a little extra, especially since you're putting so much money out there thinking you just need to get past one roll and the worst thing that can happen happens. But on the flip side, it's extra nice when a 2 or a 3 rolls and you get that instant boost before the roll really even starts.

I will say playing this way can keep you afloat for a good amount of time (pending there are not multiple point-7-outs in a row - this has happened to me though on multiple occasions) and will get you rated decently by the pit. You're not going to be king of the casino, but they do pay closer attention when you put a $75 Dont Come bet out, place across, play pass/w odds and play Come w/odds. My best runs have been when the Don't Come number is a 4 or 10 and the shooter starts rolling repeaters and those place bets become come bets with max odds. Once you hit once or twice, it feels pretty good knowing you're profiting even if the 7 or your Don't number comes.

Just keep in mind you are exposing yourself to a $85 loss (on a $10 table) on the roll after the point is made, so if that's out of your budget/comfort zone I would proceed with caution. Another less expensive/risky way I like to play is the Don't Pass and placing the 6 and 8, as mentioned above. Just hope for a few hits, turn the bets off and ride out the Don't bet. If 6 and 8 get hot, press them up. You won't have as much action as the above, but you can play for awhile, get some drinks and still be in the game.

In the end you're going to win some and you're going to lose some, just like any other methods of playing craps. In my opinion it's still the most fun to be had in a casino and I dedicate about 90% of my bankroll to it every trip.
 
vegasvic said:
I'd be leery about "following the table" because a lot of craps players make a lot of bad bets. I'd stay away from all center bets. ALL of them have a large house edge. Throwing a buck or two on a hardway(s) won't kill you but you're still bucking the large vig. And while the don't pass is a tiny bit better than pass I'd stick with the pass line bet. You'll have more fun. Back it up with odds and place the 6 and 8 or make 2 come bets. That's the best way to play with the lowest vig against you. But the bottom line is it's your money so bet as you wish.
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Agree with VegasVic. I remember when I first started playing craps I'd watch the guys raking in hundreds of dollars on a roll and wish I could do that. But then I would look back 20 minutes later and the guy who moments ago had thousands in his rack is down to his last chip. You learn pretty quick that the guys who are betting big with these systems also lose big with these systems.

I'm a conservative craps player because we go to Vegas a week at a time. I want my roll to last, and I want to have fun playing. Even if I lose at the table, if I can play for a while and enjoy the table I still "win".

That said, I play passline + odds, with a come bet (max of 3 "points" at one time), or placing 6/8, or surrounding the point with 2 place bets (on a point of 6, i like to place 5+8). I also play hardways on even points (2 ways for the dealer), and if the table offers Fire, I play 2-way fire. Another betting strategy I like to do is the "iron cross", where if you have a point and 2 place bets on 5, 6, 8, you can also play the field...that way you are winning on anything but "the number that shall not be named". Its additional exposure, but you never stand at the table after a roll thinking "man, if only I'd played THAT".

You can eliminate hardways and fire bets and the field to conserve bankroll, but ever since I missed out on a 6-point fire rally I've refused not to at least throw a red chip at it.

My "system", if you can call it that, isn't anything unique, and it isn't designed with a lot of thought. Its intended to allow me to play $5 - $15 craps with a $200-$500 buy-in for a long time. I am rarely down a lot at the craps table on a trip. I don't always win (nobody ever does), but I've managed to stay on the + side of variance enough that I'm probably up a small amount over the last 5-6 trips to Vegas. The trick is pressing the hot tables and bailing on the cold ones. Of course the other word for that is simply "dumb luck". LOL

Best of luck at the craps table, to me its the best game in the Casino.
 

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Craps virgin questions


Can I just play the fire bet or repeater for $5 and nothing else, if so does one place the bet before or after the come out roll

Is this a obnoxiously stupid bet that shouldn't be attempted as a solo only wager
 
I believe so,but when tossing the dice i believe you must play either pass or dont pass.
 
93 Octane said:
Craps virgin questions


Can I just play the fire bet or repeater for $5 and nothing else, if so does one place the bet before or after the come out roll

Is this a obnoxiously stupid bet that shouldn't be attempted as a solo only wager
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I believe so, as long as the bet is the table minimum or higher. And when it comes to the prop bets (All Tall/Small, Fire, Repeater, etc) you have to make them before the come out roll. You can quickly tell if it's a come out roll by looking to see if the puck in front of the dealers is OFF (black). And like LV_Bound mentioned, if you want to roll the dice you have to play the pass/don't pass line.
 
At Aria for the ATS you can make the bet at any point during the roll as long as no one else has already played it. If I am the only one playing it and my ATS bet is more than the pass line minimum I will wait until after the point has been established. I'm pretty sure Bellagio allows this as well. Just to clarify on the Fire bet, you have to make the bet before the new shooter's first come out roll. Not any come out roll.
 
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