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Table Games Craps-Biggest Frustrations-Poll

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by WINGSFAN2012, Jul 5, 2018.

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What are your 2 (two) biggest frustrations with playing Craps?

  1. 1) Obnoxious/Rude Players

    43.9%
  2. 2) Inexperienced Players

    2.9%
  3. 3) Surly/Rude Dealers,boxman, stickman etc.

    53.2%
  4. 4) Can't find a table limit I am comfortable playing at

    24.9%
  5. 5) Limited/Lack of comps from Casino for playing Craps

    19.0%
  6. 6) Players who take forever to make their bets/Slow down game

    24.4%
  7. 7) Type of Table- Too bouncy/Old Felt/Dirty Felt

    1.5%
  8. 9) Other-Specify in Comments

    5.9%
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  1. Joe Strummer

    Joe Strummer VIP Whale

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    I find it too diffilcult ( sp ? ) to make money !
    VP is MUCH easier to make money.....and I don't have to bet high.
    The only time I've nade money at craps ?
    My HARDWAYS were hitting left + right !
     
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  2. smerrian

    smerrian View from Bally's

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    The All-Tall-Small side bet. It slows down the game to a crawl.
     
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  3. woodsie

    woodsie High-Roller

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    I've been at tables where there have been people quite literally swearing at other players and calling female shooters "bitch" when they roll out and the dealers and pit critters just stand there blank faced. I'm not talking high rollers either but broke dick losers clutching a couple red chips with no action just waiting for the dice to come around the table to them. I've seen this SEVERAL times.
     
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  4. HJB

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    Well I've been playing for 40 years and never seen anyone call any female shooter a bitch at any table. Maybe you need to play in some better casinos.
     
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  5. Breeze147

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    I don't like dealers who have English as maybe a third or fourth language and never call out the number. I get on them with "Huh?" "What?" "I want to hear the number". These are found almost exclusively on Fremont St.
     
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  6. woodsie

    woodsie High-Roller

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    You're right, it's my fault. :rolleyes2:

    The "Bitch" comment I've heard twice in 15 years so it's possible you could go 40 years not hearing it. That's statistically plausible.

    As far other types of abusive behavior from other craps players, I don't believe for a second that anyone could play craps for 40 years and not witness it no matter where you are playing.

    To make an issue of my particular example is to miss my point that lots of casinos, even nice ones, seem to have a high threshold for rude players. The OP asked what our biggest frustrations were and that's mine.

    Interestingly enough, the only place I've played where they are quick to eject rude players is a little dumpy Indian casino Northern Michigan. None of the dealers or pit critters are afraid to stop play and check the offending players.

    It's the larger nicer corporate owned casinos where the dealers act like their hands are tied to deal with rude and abusive players. I was at New York, New York a couple years back where there was a player who was making derogatory remarks about every single shooter, how they throw, and the outcome of every roll. A typical comment would be "Man, this guy throws like a p***y" or "I knew he'd seven out, f*** this guy" and every time he opened his mouth the dealers would just turn their head the other way and act like they heard nothing.
     
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  7. smerrian

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    At Binion's:
    I had a dealer that was so green she barely could follow the game...that's okay, everybody has to learn somewhere (though when you're the dealer you really should know a simple pay-out).
    But then to compound it, her grasp of English was so poor she couldn't understand anything the boxman or I were saying to her to correct her mistakes; she had to rely on the dealer on the other side of the table that spoke her original language. But the far away dealer wouldn't get involved until after the shouting began and the game stopped, then she would start yelling the correction in some giberish. I can't believe I actually lasted 15 minutes on that game. I can handle one or the other (green dealer or don't know English) but not both at the same time.
     
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  8. makikiboy

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    Let's see those guys do that at the Cal, at the big Hawaiian players. Or have those people call the Hawaiian's wives a bitch. I'm sure that wouldn't happen because the big Hawaiians wouldn't stand for that crap.
     
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  9. LV_Bound

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    I thought of an "Other" and that is at a packed table and I mean packed table where not everyone can play because it is so packed and the next table with a higher limit is EMPTY and they won't lower the limit.
     
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  10. woodsie

    woodsie High-Roller

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    I wish they would. :D
     
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  11. WINGSFAN2012

    WINGSFAN2012 High-Roller

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    I think casino's think "why lower a table to $5.00 for $10 or higher just to accommodate a packed $5 table"....they feel if you are desperate enough to play you will play even if your budget or comfort level is not where it would be at a $5 table.
     
  12. HJB

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    I've heard all kinds of bad language and they ignore it as they should. There is no law against it, and there are no rules about it.
     
  13. WINGSFAN2012

    WINGSFAN2012 High-Roller

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    Over half of us now per the numbers think that the Craps crews are a major problem at times......look and listen casino's and craps crews...........I respect their job very much but at times they completely ruin what should be a fun vibe!
     
  14. vegaskid74

    vegaskid74 High-Roller

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    I agree with you to an extent. All of us have dropped an F bomb now and then when the devil shows, and if it's an occasional thing and it's not a personal attack directed at another player they should probably let it slide.

    But I have witnessed many times what other posters related above as well - Dbag players that mutter obscenities under their breath (and often out loud) about other players at the table every time something doesn't go their way. That should not be tolerated. Not only is it morally the right thing to do to show such Dbags the door since people who are minding their own business should not be subjected to verbal abuse, it's a stupid business decision (unless perhaps the guy is betting 20x what anyone else is betting) to stand there and watch an entire table clear out because you're too weak as a floor supervisor to speak up and tell the guy to mind his manners or find somewhere else to play.

    You're right that there's no law against being an asshole or allowing an asshole to play at your tables, but it's an epically stupid business decision to just stand there and watch it happen while good customers with manners walk away.
     
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  15. LVisBeautiful

    LVisBeautiful Low-Roller

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  16. Hurricane

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    I do not think it slows down the game more than any other bet. You could say the same thing about yo, or hard-ways, or come bets, or field bets, or anything else.
     
  17. Calder

    Calder Low-Roller

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    If the bet is receiving heavy action, resetting after a natural can take a while, with the box raking in the cheques, setting up the new bets, the base sending out change... It certainly takes longer than just handing out nickels in the pre-ATS days.

    I don't bet it, but another player's observation rang true: "Remember back when we were happy about a comeout seven?"
     
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  18. woodsie

    woodsie High-Roller

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    The law has nothing to do with casino policy with respect to guest behavior. There's all sorts of lawful things you can do that will get you booted from a casino.

    The issue is what kind of behavior they do and don't tolerate as a matter of policy. What behavior they should and shouldn't tolerate is a matter of opinion at that point.

    I don't care much about foul language but I would personally draw the line at abusive behavior and personal attacks.
     
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  19. Hurricane

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    Correct, as there should be. Digression: I have personally been booted out of a casino because I was quite intoxicated and unable to stop cursing - not swearing at anyone in particular or in anger, just punctuating stories, celebratory exclamations and other utterances with some very colorful language. Ok, yes, and occasionally some dealer 21s. St. Patrick's Day can sometimes do that to a person. And, for whatever it's worth, I agreed with the pit boss' assessment, said "that's fair", and left peacefully.

    Back to the topic. A casino is in the hospitality business, and making its guests (that is what we gamblers are) feel comfortable, safe and respected should be among its top priorities. (Would be great if that were a top priority for society as a whole, as well.) And that cannot end at interactions between staff and guests. Of course dealers and bartenders and security staff should not be denigrating their customers, but they should also be protecting their customers from abuse from third parties (including other guests) on their premises. It's in their interest and it also happens to be the right thing to do.

    Using any slur or otherwise verbally abusing any customer should be enough to get you thrown out of a casino, or a restaurant, bar, nightclub, pool, movie theater or pretty much anywhere else. Obviously someone will have to decide whether any given action is grounds for ejection - but if I were training staff, a customer calling someone a "b****" would be in our staff manual as something requiring ejection. To be clear, not because of the word - a bro saying that to his fellow bro because he didn't double down is not abuse, it's just colorful language - but because of the malicious intent and the impact this incident will have both on the guests on the receiving end and also those who watch it happen and go unpunished.
     
  20. HJB

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    Is it OK for one guy to call his male friend his "bitch" ? Should he be thrown out for that same as if he called a woman a "bitch" ?