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Table Games Combined BJ Strategy Card

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by blissfulignoramus, Mar 31, 2018.

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  1. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus Low-Roller

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    Attached is a combined blackjack strategy card I made for three playable games that I tend to go to at <$25 minimum tables commonly encountered Downtown. I find it useful and thought others might as well. The games are:

    Single Deck/no DAS/no Late Surrender (as seen at El Cortez)
    Double Deck/no DAS/no Late Surrender (as seen in a few places)
    4+ Deck/DAS/Late Surrender (as seen in a few places)

    All are 3:2/H-17/no RSA/DAT. It should print out to a wallet-sized format, with the strategy layout on one page and summary info on the other. I put it together in Powerpoint using my very limited graphics skills -- the result isn't perfect but it works for me. I find it useful to focus on the hand situations which differ among the three games, and the color helps me to remember. For example, that A7 against a dealer 2 is "SDD" and that 77 against a dealer 10 is "SHH".

    All strategy is straight from the WoO strategy calculator -- any errors are mine.

    Why no DAS for the DD game? Because when I do play DD, no-DAS is the game I tend to play Downtown. ElCo has a DD DAS game, but when I'm at ElCo I tend to play the single-deck game -- if I do play DD it's usually somewhere else where the no-DAS game is the best thing offered. I think the only difference in strategy between the DD game here and DD with DAS is that you split 2's and 3's against a dealer 2 or 3.

    If anyone wants the original Powerpoint file, I am happy to send it to you -- PM me. You are free to do anything you want with it.

    Hopefully this will be useful.
     

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  2. Not at the table Carlos

    Not at the table Carlos Cheapskate

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    SOLID!

    This also could easily be editable to anybody’s own 3 most common rules they encounter. Excellent!



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  3. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus Low-Roller

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    Yeah, it occurred to me that there are three sets of rules that apply to the vast majority of games I play, and that those rules could be summarized visually. I'm guessing that's true for most everyone. It would be hard to show four.

    Again, feel free to PM me for the Powerpoint file to do whatever you want with it. And I am open to suggestions about it. Editing this is pretty easy.
     
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    rittermd Low-Roller

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    Nice!!!
     
  5. boxofbirds

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    This is a great visual way to see the differences at a glance! I tend to memorize two strategies and use those for everything, but this would be much better!
     
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    topcard Celebrating 40 Years of Vegas Trips in 2020!

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    Yeah...that's me as well...it's either 2-deck with DAS, or two-deck without DAS.
    If I know, for certain, that I'll be playing a multi-deck (4+) shoe or CSM, I'll do some refresher studying before my trip, but it's rare that I ever plan for that.
    I may modify my own "custom" strategy card to include those kind of tables, both with and without surrender.
     
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    ncpokeresq Low-Roller

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    Thanks for sharing! Where did you get the information for the differences?
     
  8. blissfulignoramus

    blissfulignoramus Low-Roller

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    https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/ An outstanding resource.

    And the differences between those two games are pretty much confined to splitting: yes to splitting 2's and 3's against 2's and 3's, split 4s against an 8, and split 7's against an 8, correct? That's fairly intuitive: obviously DAS makes a big difference.

    Most of my play is the single-deck game at ElCo (no DAS) and 6-decks at GN (w/DAS and LS). If I'm playing two-deck it's not at ElCo, so no DAS. Even though a DAS game is more fun, I go with the overall better house-edge in the single-deck game -- mind you, I don't really count. On the other hand, if I find myself at 4Q or a Boyd place, I will play the non-DAS two-deck game because it's likely the best game offered. If I'm looking for the added fun of playing a DAS game, I go for the 6-deck game with LS -- lower inherent house edge than 2-deck without LS (edit: and no DAS), and a lot of fun. But again, I'm not really counting, so I discount that advantage.
     
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    bliss...I get the appeal...I do...I love the 2-deck game though... even after the 50% cut at Boyd properties, working with a 50-60% deck (approx) is far better for predicting future cards than any multi-deck shoe.
    Yeah - I know that LS & RSA are good player advantages, but I've already trained my expectations to not ever expect those rules ...which makes even the Boyd double-deck game better than any multi-deck shoe that doesn't allow LS.
    (I will definitely check out DTG for their alleged multi-deck shoe that allows LS & RSA ... if they really have it, I'll play it)
     
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    blissfulignoramus Low-Roller

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    For me it mostly comes down to that predicting future cards thing. If that’s part of your game then two deck is the way to go. I really don’t “predict” in a quantitative way, so for me basic strategy plus house advantage are the priorities.

    I’m less excited about RSA, which is so rare, and with one card on aces not as much fun. DAS is great — almost all truly memorable bj hands involve DAS. I’m talking myself into ElCo’s 2D game as I type this.

    I plan to see what’s going on at DTG in a few weeks — will update on that.
     
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    Hey Bliss, I finally got a chance to use my version of your strategy card, it worked great! I modified mine to swap in the S17, DAS, No surrender/RSA double deck at Aria (and a couple other Mlife properties) for the double deck game you had. Plus a couple small design/language tweaks.

    Thanks again! Thinking about making another version with my favorite games at my local casinos.



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