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Coin-in... What's Good and Average?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Gogetalee, Aug 5, 2022.

  1. Gogetalee

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    I was curious what an average and good coin-in would be for a player that gets assigned a host?

    I have had a host for a few years now, starting when my coin-in was around 75K. I have since increased that number, but was just curious about the various tiers of players from that perspective.

    I'll stop babbling....
     
  2. ReTriggerMe

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    75K over how many nights?
     
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  3. fasbman

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    Obviously, there is variation among trips, but I generally average about 80K coin-in, over a five-day trip. The spit is about 90/10 VP to slots. I believe that you will need to list all of the variables above to get comparability. Currently, I have an Executive host at CET.
     
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  4. aaisack

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    This requires coin in per day, what you're playing and betting on, and casino (or casino class) for anyone to give you useful information.
     
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  5. Kachow

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    VP or slots is gonna make a huge difference. 8-10K a day in slots at Cosmo can get you hosted. $25K a day in VP at Aria will not.
     
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  6. timtanium

    timtanium Low-Roller

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    I play about 25k a day at south point. Easy to get small
    Suite there.
     
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  7. dmr

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    You guys are most definitely outa my league, fer-shure, totally!

    Help me check my math here ...

    It's really difficult to say how much I play per day, since for my local CET casinos (Harrah's and Horseshoe) I'll maybe end up doing about one "serious" session every month or so plus maybe 4 or so weekend daytime hour or so sessions (get two free drink tickets, drink one, save the other) plus for the last year, two trips to LV (only one staying at CET) and one to Columbus, on which I did maybe 4 hours or so serious play per day.

    Anyway, IIRC, for the last reporting year I did just over 7000 tier points, which puts me just into the Platinum level, but a bit lower than pre-Covid. I'm assuming that I'm on track for about the same amount this year.

    If I count on my fingers both the "serious" sessions and the "casual" sessions, I come out at about 112 hours of play for the last year, which sanity checks at 2.15 hours per week and sounds about right on average.

    I've done mostly VP over the past year, which is $10 per point, plus some slots, which I think is still $5 per point, plus some video BJ, which I have no clue as to how much per point. My guess is that I've averaged maybe $8 per point over the past year which comes to $56,000 coin in FOR THE YEAR. Yeah, I know, FAR less than cited above. :)

    This comes to about $500 coin in per hour, which again sanity checks at about 6 hands per minute on quarters, $1.25 per hand.

    This means for my "serious" session days, my coin in would be around $2000 per day, and yeah, a fraction of the numbers bounced around in this thread.

    LOL, for the "casual" session days, that would maybe be around $500 coin in per day, and yeah, that puts me not only in the low-roller, but the micro roller (nano roller? pico roller? femto roller?) class for those days.

    Yeah, I'm quite sure I'm on the very lowest end for the VMB folks here. :)
     
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  8. alexm

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    @Gogetalee As others have said, knowing more details about your question would help to effectively answer your question. If you're doing 75k coin per day, you would get hosted everywhere. I have a CET host out of AC and average around 10-12k coin in per day and usually do 3 night trips. I haven't ever played like that in LV, but assume I probably wouldn't attract a host even with that coin in since we would bounce around a lot more. I would think 15k per day at the middle tier properties would probably get a host's attention
     
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    $10k +/- a day average on slots for multi-night stays should do it pretty much anywhere. Less as you go down the pecking order of properties. I would guess somewhere in the $40k - $50k/day range if you play all VP.

    No host is going to jump on you if you do a single $10k day, but once you average that over a 3 or 4 night stay you'll probably hear from one.
     
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    It’s the Theo or rather the casino’s formula for calculating Theo , not coin-in, matters most.
    In general,$500 ADT is the minimum.
     
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  11. Gogetalee

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    I'm a Vegas local that splits my spend at MGM and the M Resort playing slots, so there is a lot variability on when I play and how much I put in. Some days I may may put $200 bucks in while we are down for dinner or I may show up on a random Wednesday afternoon with a bankroll of 4K.

    Because my spend isn't associated with trips and my host at MGM is always helpful, I was curious what some average annual coin in was for players with a host. My coin-in these days far surpasses when I was first assigned a host.

    Probably too many variables for a straight answer. I suppose I should just ask her. I appreciate all the feedback.
     
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    Agreed. Your host will certainly be able to provide you with better answers than we can since your host actually knows what your gaming action looks like.

    An answer for everyone else casually reading just the topic of this thread -- eleventy billion dollars will get it done.
     
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    I have over 75K coin in at Cosmo and don't have a host.
    Of course that 75K is probably over 10 trips. :p
     
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    I would guess, since you are looking at average annual coin in for a host that it probably has to start somewhere around 100k. I figure I am at the bare bottom for a host and am usually 120k per year in coin in on video poker mostly (80-20) with slots mixed in. We average about 12 nights per year. That coin in with less nights would probably get a hosts attention quicker or make a most happier, and if I doubled the nights, but no my coin in the host would likely go away.
     
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    I'm not sure how much annual has to do with it except maybe it takes longer to get noticed.

    With one exception, every host that ever contacted me, it was during or immediately after my first stay at a place, and I don't do whopper numbers. Twice they came up to me on the floor on the 2nd or 3rd night.

    The one exception was CET, where I did a $12,500 coin-in day last year and got an email from a (real) host a couple of weeks later. It was my only day of play at CET that entire year, but I had done several $12,500 coin-in days on previous trips before that without a host contacting me, although I did have "VIP Reps" greet me on the floor a couple of times - I have a feeling that was just a function of my tier level at the time (Diamond Plus).

    I think hosts have access to real-time and historical play stats and have the choice of going after any unhosted player they want, subject to internal guidelines and a pecking order among the different levels of hosts.

    I've had hosts at MB, MGM Grand, Luxor, Aria, Cosmo, CET, TI, and a sub-host at V/P (not a true host, but gave me upfront comped nights when my offers had lapsed due to inactivity) all on less than a $5k/night average. And I only go twice a year.

    If a junior host is sitting in their office on a slow day trolling for new players and you pop up on their screen with $10k coin-in on slots that day, you might well get yourself a host. That's what it looks like to me, at least. There's bound to be some randomness involved at lower levels of play.
     
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  16. staude

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    25k of Slots a day will def get you hosted at Aria. Source: me, right in that ballpark
     
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    $25K a day in SLOTS, will get you hosted anywhere so far as I can tell. $25K a day in Video Poker will not at the higher end properties.
     
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  18. staude

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    absolutely, but 25k in VP (they don't have any really good machines) may even get your attention at Aria (in the end it is destined to be property No 3 in the MLife universe, after they take over Cosmo)
     
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    Yes I’m just basing it on my last couple experiences staying at Aria. I have hardly played slots there at all and just mainly played VP whereas at Cosmo I mainly play slots. I’ve averaged about $25K a day in VP at Aria and while I do go see a host for backend comps I haven’t had any reach out to me. It’s no skin off my back as I really don’t mind just booking myself. I do find having a host at Cosmo to be convenient because I can just text or email him what I want to do but he really doesn’t get me anything more than what the offers I am showing are worth from what I can tell. I also like being able to just text him on the day of checkout to find out what he can comp off rather than going to see the host on duty.

    You think MGM will consider Aria #3 behind Cosmo? I would think they might consider Cosmo #3.
     
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    Just my experience, my 2 friends went to the MLIFE desk, and asked to get their charges taken care of. They instantly did. I went to the MLIFE desk (played maybe a third more than them), and it was all "uh, huh, have to call the host, blablabla". Something similar happened last time at Bellagio, checked out, friend that wasn't completely upfront comped asked to have the charges go away. They did. I was comped upfront (only the room, no resort fee and have a bit at it FP/RC, WAY away from RFB). Checked out, 5mins later an e-mail from a Bellagio Host. So...they may still be fighting for clients in the MGM space.
    As for number 3...pretty sure they will have it 1. Bellagio, 2. Cosmo, 3. Aria...
     
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