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Coin-in increase, yet comps have disappeared? What gives?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Odelay77, Jul 21, 2017.

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  1. Odelay77

    Odelay77 Low-Roller

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    When I started going to Vegas in 2005, I really didn’t have the money to afford it and as such I would take a paltry 200-300 gambling budget for a three or four night stay on the strip (and I’d bunk up with three friends in a double room). I’d stick to a $5 pass line bet with double odds, and have an occasional VP session at a quarter machine. Somehow, after two trips at that level of play, I got offers for 3-4 free nights at low-end CET and MGM properties (I would usually split my play between them).


    Nowadays, I’m gainfully employed and can afford a bit more to gamble. I typically bring a bankroll for about 400/day and I tend to focus my play at either MGM or CET each trip (I go about once a year). Granted, I’m almost exclusively playing VP now, but I have the occasional late-night drunken slot session and I know I put a LOT more coin-in overall per day than I used. Plus, my wife plays about 100-200/day of her own money in slots - on MY card.


    I know times have changed and the CET/MGM monopolies have tightened drastically, but I haven’t seen a single comp room offer come to me for SEVEN YEARS. It seems that the offers dried up at exactly the same time I started making/bringing a lot more money to Vegas. I’ve now found myself going from staying at MGM Grand four nights comped to staying at Excalibur five nights at $100+/night.



    I love Vegas, so I keep going. And overall, the room cost is a small portion of my overall budget. But what the hell happened? It’s just so weird. Have the comp offers really dried up that much since 2009, or am I doing something wrong?



    (Admins, I realize this could be basically a duplicate of another post. If so, delete away. But I’d appreciate a link to something similar since I couldn’t really find anything!)
     
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  2. hillwood24

    hillwood24 High-Roller

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    I've experienced the exact same thing as you, though I still get comps mid-week through the Total Rewards calendar at the mid to lower level properties. Like you, it seems the more I play, the worse the offers get. For my upcoming trip, I'm staying downtown for the first time in a hope that my play will be more appreciated there. I can afford to pay for my own rooms, but there's just something awesome about getting comped. It makes me feel valued, so I'll keep looking around until I find the place that values me the most.
     
  3. parallax

    parallax High-Roller

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    As a general rule, if the economy is doing well and people are coming to Vegas, there is a decrease in comps. When the economy went south in 2008, they were very aggressive with room offers. I was receiving suites, nice free play and resort credits. However, over the years that offers has decreased even though my average wager has gone up. This coincides with more and more people coming to Vegas.

    There are other factors that are in play with the various casino corps such as bankruptcy, PGP etc. At you level, MGM is always going to be more stingy than CET.
     
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  4. Grid

    Grid Well-Known Member

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    Vegas is a completely different animal now than what it was 10 years ago when you were drawing comps. It went from "How do we poach players from another casino, and keep them coming back" to "How many rooms can we sell to the club kids before we have to give some away to the gamblers".

    Gambling was the engine that drove Vegas, now, not so much. Comps are harder to get. They would rather someone pay for a room, pay for a fancy meal, shop in their stores and buy tickets to their shows. Then risk having a gambler win something, and have to give them all of those as free.
     
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  5. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    As you continue to visit, you develop a track record - ADT. The casinos are smart and learn what you are going to drop and make offers related to that. Even if your play/ADT is exactly the same, offers can change. Reasons?

    - New manager decides to increase offers
    - New manager decides to tighten up on offers
    - Casino is doing well, tightens up.
    - Casino hurting and either tightens up or loosens up depending on current manager
    - You start adding an extra day to trip and lower your ADT
    - Casino changed their internal tracking and count days differently
    - Game or machines you played in past get a different rating in their system
    - They decided players of your type are not worth "enticing" and decide it is not worth their expenditure of rooms, etc.
     
  6. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Between you and your wife, your bankroll is $500 a day and you don't get comp rooms???

    Do they have you flagged as an advantage player, or do you have to have the worst run of your life to lose that $500 and usually have an ADT of oh say $50?

    99% of people with a $500/day bankroll will get free rooms somewhere at CET (outside of resort fees).

    But if you typically lose a few hundred a day and play a lot of VP. Boyd would be a great place for you if you didn't have to be on the strip.
     
  7. Burnsie

    Burnsie High-Roller

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    Vegas doesn't need you (or me) as much right now.

    CET gives me free mid-week rooms in Atlantic City all year except summer. In Vegas, all I got this May was a $4 dollar a night discount. You probably get that just for signing up for a TR card!

    Occupancy rates must be up, up, up in Vegas. They're certainly not "courting" me!
     
  8. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    You say that your coin in has increased. The best way to measure that is by TC or points/day. Even for mid-level players like me, I have seen the comps decrease and the expected pay increase as the economy has gotten better. I see the expectation of $5000 per day coin-in minimum at CET properties to rate weekend rooms.
     
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  9. Odelay77

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    Thanks, Tring. Yeah, my luck has been a little rotten the last couple trips, but I still don't blow through my BR at an obscene rate.

    In a couple of months, I'll be there with 5 friends. None of them are regulars, so I'm thinking about getting a bunch of extra cards and just having them all play the machines on my card just to experiment and see if I can get ANYTHING offered.

    I'm also doing two nights downtown at Cal and I don't yet have a Boyd card, so I'm planning on getting one and really hitting it hard at the Fremont (my favorite DT casino) for those first two days, then chilling on the strip and betting football/seeing shows the rest of my vacation. If I can get some free rooms DT, I don't have any problems staying there and focusing all my play there. I'll just head to the strip for shows, fancy football betting/viewing, dining, etc. and not mess with their VP.
     
  10. Odelay77

    Odelay77 Low-Roller

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    Hooray! I can finally call myself a one-percenter :headbang:
     
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  11. zignerlv

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    You've only quoted your daily bankroll. Casinos don't comp based on bankroll size, for low to mid rollers. What are you playing, what is your average size bet, and how long are you playing? If slots/VP, what is your daily coin in? Those figures determine who gets offers.

    Safe to say, if you aren't getting comp room offers, your play is below their threshold for comped rooms.
     
  12. lithium78

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    Yeah, that's pretty much it. Vegas' new economic model seems to be based on appealing to locals with their new arena, attracting conventioneers who will pay for rooms, and squeezing club kids for bottle service. Gamblers aren't as welcome as we used to be. That's okay, though, because with the proliferation of casinos across almost the entirety of America, gamblers have a lot more options than we used to have.

    Like you, I've decided to switch my play (for at least the time being) from Vegas to Atlantic City. My offers from AC now match the ones I was receiving from Vegas. The kicker for me was when AC started offering me comp weekends. Comp weekends with the same amount of freeplay and show tickets without having to fly nearly 6 hours? Easy decision.
     
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  13. Odelay77

    Odelay77 Low-Roller

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    TC/points per day definitely seems like a logical way to track my coin in, but I know that things get tricky when trying to anticipate comp room offers based on your points. Any advice or estimate on what a good TC-per-day rate would be to ensure room offers?
     
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    Well it looks like you live in Champagne! :ssst: :D

    RICHARD
     
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    TIMSPEED The biggest Degenerate on VMB

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    For being the largest corporate entity, CET has some of the worst big data software...it's almost as if they DON'T want real gamblers and only want small time players with higher house advantage ratio''s (people who play penny slots at minimum bet)
     
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  16. Odelay77

    Odelay77 Low-Roller

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    Yeah, that's what I'm assuming. I guess the point is that that threshold has really changed drastically, unless I'm missing something.

    To answer your questions, I typically play quarter DDB VP at max bet. I don't really track total coin in since I drink a lot while I'm playing, but I tend to play for maybe a total of 3 or 4 hours a day. Plus, I'll sit at a slot for maybe an hour a day at about 1 or 2 bucks a spin. All that plus some Let it Ride and Pai Gow for 5-15/hand for a couple of hours, but I usually don't give my card at tables since I'm just playing the minimum.
     
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    $500 a day isn't much action to the casino's anymore. Also if you play video poker, that won't help the comps coming in. I play dollar VP, and my offers are very minimal with a free day thrown in or casino rate. Times are a changing. Comp yourself, and play at a comfortable level.
     
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  18. tringlomane

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    I would give my card playing tables at CET. It adds ADT to all the other games you play. CET will rate anyone.

    Given your play description, I'm really struggling to see why you don't get at least free weekdays at some CET properties. It sounds like you average maybe 300 Tier Credits a day. If that doesn't give free rooms somewhere on weekdays, then CET has tightened up way more than I thought.

    Personally though, I'm in the $4 off a night category that @Burnsie is. But out of curiosity, looks I get much deeper discounts in AC (like $25 off), but I have never played there and my ADT in other CET markets is terrible. I may play 30 Tier a day, and usually get a $4 discount. Oh boy!
     
  19. Nevyn

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    Giving an exact coin in needed is tough.

    Personally I'd say step one is stop staying at either resort. Can't quantify it exactly, but if you shown willingness to come and come often even if you have to pay, why would they ever stretch to comp you?

    Do a trip where you stay and play at neither chain. Then maybe a trip where you again stay elsewhere, and give maybe 1 high coin in day to one of the chains. Don't split your stay.

    Also, we say it every thread, but check the CET rate calendar, not just offers. If you don't have a single comp weeknight across their properties and the months, your coin in must be less than your bankroll.
     
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    I am an IT person by trade so I approach most problems the same way. In the vein of "Have you tried rebooting your computer?", Have you checked to make sure your physical and email addresses are correct with the players clubs? Are you calling to check on offers rather than relying on emailed/mailed offers? Sometimes they are there for the asking even if you don't get a mailer.

    Another helpful hint with CET: have you wife get her own card and put just a small ammount of play on it. Then use the booking calendar on the CET website and put her card in as a companion and you should see the rates improve slightly. And make sure you use the CET booking calendar. It usually yields (for me anyways) significantly better comp days than offers and my budget is a bit less than yours. I can get comp rooms almost any time (except really busy event weekends) on the low end CET properties and even some comps available at the higher ones. I can't speak for MGM because we haven't been giving MGM much play for the last several years and my offers are pretty weak there as a result.

    Another issue: you said you go about once a year and alternate between MGM and CET. If you go about a year without playing in a CET or MGM casino then you might be a victim of offers drying up due to absence. If you go one year and play MGM then go the next year and play CET then the following year when you go back to MGM you will probably not have any offers.

    Something else to consider: When you first started getting offers in Vegas you might have been the beneficiary not only of the better comp environment that existed back then, but you might also have been getting "teaser" or "trial" offers where they were trying to get you back in as a test to see if you'd be the kind of player they continued to extend offers to.
     
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