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can I ask my theo?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Bondy3, Feb 16, 2017.

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  1. Bondy3

    Bondy3 High-Roller

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    after playing machines for a bit, can I ask someone what my theo and coin-in are for the day?

    Who do I ask?
     
  2. easy_money

    easy_money High-Roller

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    I'm not a slot player, but I have commonly saw and read that it's not to hard to figure out your coin-in for the day based on the amount of TC's you receive.

    As far as asking someone, you should be able to ask your host for overall trip stats or a daily breakdown of it. If you don't have a host, I've never had a problem going to any property's host office and asking for my daily stats (ADT/MDT, theo, coin-in, etc) from the host on duty or whoever was in there.
     
  3. Scottndindy

    Scottndindy High-Roller

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    Host or sometimes the players club desk
     
  4. vegasdev

    vegasdev VIP Whale

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    machines, no problem. go ahead and ask. but if you ask a boss at the table games they have been know to bite your head off.
     
  5. Richard Alpert

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    Maybe this guy? :D
    theo.jpg

    RICHARD
     
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  6. wanker751

    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    Lol.

    I asked a host and she told be. Sadly she couldn't or wouldn't tell me breakdown of slots/vp but total coin in host can tell you
     
  7. Auggie

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    When you say "for a bit" and "for the day" that just seems to be on a level where you are wasting their time and yours.

    If it is for a short period of time you should be able to get a decent estimate just by using the points. IE: if its a Total Rewards casino and you go down after dinner, put your card in and see you currently have 480 Tier Credits... you play for the next 4 hours and at the end of the night you have 850 Tier Credits. From that you can see you earned 370 TCs, which you earn at a rate of $5 each... so your coin in was roughly $1850. You want to know your theoretical loss so you can pretty much pick a number from 0.07 to 0.12 to represent the house edge (depending on how conservative you want to be) and multiply that by your coin in.

    Beyond that, when the casinos track these things for the sake of comps and future offers they don't really look at it on such a short term scale - when they send you an offer for some free nights in Las Vegas they will be looking at it like "What were you good for over the course of your total trip?" and "Whats your theoretical loss for the past three days? for the last six months?" not "What did you do for 3 hours in the casino Monday night between 7PM and 10PM?"


    Also, people seem to think this info actually matters when in reality it does not: If you are getting offers for free rooms then unless you totally stiff the casino on a trip you will likely continue to get offers for free rooms... if you are not getting offers for free rooms then it means you aren't gambling enough to warrant offers for free rooms.

    And knowing what your theoretical loss is isn't really going to change that: it isn't so fine tuned and exact where you can game the system, like if your theoretical loss per day is $270 or less then you don't get free room offers, but $271 or more gets them - its all just going to boil down to: if you aren't getting offers you need to gamble more, if you are getting offers then thats great.

    And finally, if you are wondering if maybe you are leaving comps on the table, IE: you got the free room and a free buffet dinner per day offer, but could you have gotten free breakfasts as well? A good rule of thumb there is: If you never hear them say "No" to you, then you aren't asking for enough.

    Sure, nobody likes to hear "No" to them but when it comes to comps and freebies in Las Vegas you need to ask.
     
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  8. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    Your daily play MATTERS if you want to ask for/take "backend" comps.

    As a 95% slots player, this is my rule of thumb for CET:

    TC = Tier Credits

    TC*$5 = coin in per day, and

    Generally my formula for calculating comp value for a days play is:

    (TC/2) * 30% = comp value for a days play, so on a 1000 TC day, that equals

    1000/2 * 30% = $150.00 (however, this is not necessarily accurate since on my last trip, they calculated it at TC / 3)

    subtract from that your room cost (ex. at Caesars, an Augustus Tower Strip View room is $200), and you haven't made your room comp yet, so don't bother asking for anything on the backend.
     
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  9. Multifarious5

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    One of the BEST assessments I've seen in awhile, love it! I've heard hosts say you need 30k coin-in daily at "XYZ 5 star hotel" to get free rooms. I've also heard 5k at that same hotel (if you're lucky). BIG spread.

    My two cents is, yes, you can ask a host, but a host almost always will give you a target that is higher than what corporate needs to give you corporate comps.
     
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