I think I have finally figured something out. The HA on placing the 5 or 9 is 4%, buying a number you pay a 5% vig so buying a 5 or 9 is a bad idea and I've read it and heard it a thousand times. But even I can figure a $40 5 pays 8 x 7 or $56, while the vig on a$40 bet is $2 netting a pay of $58. In Biloxi I see the 5 and 9 bought from time to time. It finally hit me that in Biloxi you only pay the big on a win not up front making it an acceptable bet. Is all that correct?