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Video Poker Bob Dancer - Where to play?

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by westie, Jul 19, 2017.

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  1. westie

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    Good read.

    And for the answers that the casual math aware player may want, there is always

    www.vpfree2.com
     
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    Good article. A lot of good points about the multiple factors that can affect what the "best game" is to any given player.
    From the little I know about VP, the easier question to answer is, "what paytables should I avoid?"
    Some one will correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't 98% payback easy enough to find that there's no reason to play any paytable worse than that?
    Dancer could have included something like that in his piece.
     
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    Yes.
    There's even enough 99% + Job, BP, DBP downtown and off strip that you don't have to dip below that if you don't want.
    Add in 98.98 DDB which is relatively common also.

    The great majority of Vegas visitors are not educated enough about gaming to realize these things though.
    I see people all the times playing terrible games when the same game is available 20' away or next door with a lot better odds.
    That's why the strip is able to do what they do on VP paytables and things like 6:5 BJ.
     
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    Keep in mind that his answer is not "how do I lose less and play long" but rather "how do I make the most money." You aren't making a dime at a 99% game unless you're getting enough comps/etc back
     
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    I still don't understand how "professional" VP players can do it! I'm also perplexed at how some VP players have been reportedly banned for being too good at the game.
     
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    I'm going to take a guess that since the advent of players cards the casinos have a pretty solid database of every players habits.

    Analyze specific players habits of only playing the games with the lowest edge, their winnings, coupled with comp benefits earned and they become what's termed an Advantage Player and the casino realizes they are better off without their business.

    There are tens of millions of fish in the Vegas Ocean and the Casinos realize they are better off without the sharks.
     
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    Hmmm... I suppose factoring in comped drinks would fall under that criteria.
    If I play for an hour and win back $990 of the $1000 I used to play, I've lost $10.
    If I've enjoyed 3 cocktails in that hour - and those would have cost me $4 each, couldn't that be seen as a net-positive EV, +$2?
     
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    Yes it could personally although I doubt / don't know if casinos have a drink average factored in player cost.
    It's definitely a received benefit to us. But if you're going that far to track personally do you need to deduct tips?

    And you're not even factoring in the players card points / rewards which the casino would.
     
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    My guess is that would not qualify for him. He's playing as a job, not for entertainment.

    I'm not playing VP as a job. I go to LV to have fun. I'm not trying to master 40 slot clubs and scout 1,000 VP machines. I'm glad the 99% games exist. It's nice that downtown is so good to people like me, and that a few bright spots sit on the strip still (Cromwell quarters, the airport deuces game at Cromwell, and the Aria Double Super Times Pay game at quarters).
     
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    Hammer soft (aka profitable) promos hard is a big play. But if you over step that move, the casinos could ban you since you had your card in for said promos.

    Even Bob Dancer has admitted that playing a small amount of slot machines can be a good cover.
     
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