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Table Games Blackjack-Simplified Basic Strategy

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Andsen, Aug 16, 2002.

  1. doctor_al

    doctor_al VIP Whale

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    I would say "typical" Strip rules would be 6-deck, DAS, Double on any, no surrender, and sadly, frequently hit soft 17's, esp. at Harrah$. See the following site for rules at various places:
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  2. jmsvss

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    okay - first let me say you guys are great, very generous with your advice.

    I now have Hoyle's casino at home and I'm fooling around with http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bst/ while I'm at work - just a little quickie here and there - and I am feeling much more confident. The rules are making sense, etc.

    Now here's my next question - What is the etiquette on entering AND exiting a game?
     
  3. doctor_al

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    Entering - put your money on the table, and tell the dealer you're "buying in for XX". Keep the money out of the circle for bets, so he doesn't think it's a cash bet.

    Exiting - between deals tell the dealer you want to "color up". Don't forget to tip.

    Remember, you can't hand over anything directly, put it down on the table and pick it up from the table.
     
  4. jmsvss

    jmsvss Low-Roller

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    Is there any reason to scope out the table to get an idea of how many decks are left in the shoe? Not than I could begin to count cards, just wondering if there is a significant difference in the odds.
     
  5. blackjack

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    There is no difference in odds. The only reason to scope out the shoe (if it is not a continuous shuffle of course) is to see if maybe you should wait until the next shuffle to join in. This may or may not be proper etiquette, but I will usually sit down at an open seat then ask the others playing if they wanted me to wait to join in. Sometimes if a shoe has been good to the table, they may not want to interrupt the run or change the vibe. I personally don't care when someone joins in as long as they sit. I cannot stand the walk-by players who show up, play one or two hands, then leave.

    Other advice: If you are a smoker, & the table is filled with non-smokers, please be courteous to them & the dealer & try to keep the smoke off the table. This is a very close environment. I can't stand the people who light up & leave it burning in the tray on the table or hold it over the table while the smoke billows into the faces of everyone else playing. I am an occasional smoker (more often when alcohol is involved), and I always try to exhale away from the table & dealer & keep the coal off to the side. If nobody at the table is smoking, more often than not I will wait for a bathroom break to light up.

    Don't be afraid to ask for advice from other players or the dealer. If someone keeps forcing advice on you & gets angry at your pace or style of play, then simply "color up" & find another table. There are too many fun people & fun tables to have to put up with a$$holes on your vacation.

    Relax & have fun. Never chase your losses & if things go cold, find another table or take a bathroom break. If you leave the table but plan to return within 5 minutes (i.e. bathroom break), ask the dealer to "mark your spot". You can leave your chips at the table when leaving for a few minutes.
     
  6. doctor_al

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    "Mid-deck entry" is specifically banned at certain casinos because that is a card-counter strategy. If you're not counting, I don't see where it could help you. It is worthwhile, however, to scope out the tables for rules and limits before picking a table, and you might want to scope out the dealer and/or players before sitting down, although I rarely do.
     
  7. DonD

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    I usualy check to see how many chips are in front of the players. If they have more than normal I will sit down and play because it looks like it has been a pretty hot table. Also do the same on Craps tables and it seems to work most of the time.
    Not talking about the dollar amount of the chips, but if it looks like more than they would have bought in for such as lots of red and green then I sit down and ask if anyone minds if I start now or should I wait until the shuffle.
     
  8. bluestreak

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    Stacks of chips or rows of chips are not predictors of what you should expect.

    They are great predictors of the mood...are the players having a good time at this table.
     
  9. teklanika

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    I have a question about splitting or double ing . :confused: To do these do you tell the dealer and do you put additional chips in your betting circle? Please be as specific as you can. I have 8 days before I get to Vegas. [​IMG] Can't wait and I really want to try blackjack. I have been practicing like crazy on Hitorstand.net. Thanks for your help in advance.

    B
     
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    When you split or double put your chips out and tell the dealer what you want to do.
    In most cases the dealer will ask on a split. Or on a double they will ask you one card?
    Remember you are in control. Nothing can happen until you decide what you want to do. This goes for playing your hand in general too. Good Luck!!
     
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    Sometimes they will also ask for a hand signal for the cameras in the ceiling. The peace sign held horizontally above your cards means split. Your index finger alone means you want to double down. This happens most frequently when you are dealt a pair of fives, but I've also seen it with fours.
     
  12. teklanika

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    Thanks so much for the help. I can't wait til Friday.

    B [​IMG]
     
  13. KathyinNY

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    Ok, here's another question - what do you mean when you say that Black Jack is 6:5?
     
  14. doctor_al

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    In a normal blackjack game, if you get 21 on the first two cards (a blackjack), you get paid 3:2,i.e., $15 on a $10 bet. If the table says "blackjack pays 6:5" you get paid $12 on a $10 bet.
     
  15. KathyinNY

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    Thank you. I understand now. Oh, how do you know if a table is 6:5? Staying at the MC in July and may get the courage up to play.
     
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    It should say, either on the felt, or on the plaque with the table bet limit, "blackjack pays 3:2". Used to be redundant, not so anymore.

    MC has some good $5 shoe games, though, IMO. Maybe pick a quieter time for your first foray, but I think you'll be fine anyway.
     
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    Thanks doc al. I'm actually going to play some BJ with friends at lunch today to get the feel of it. This weekend we're going to Seneca Niagara Casino in Niagara Falls (was there last weekend too) and may play some BJ since one of the girls likes to play. I think I will watch her for a bit and then if I get the courage up (and a few drinks in me) I will play.

    Played slots last weekend. Had fun but I think it is time I tried something else. I want more bang for my buck and I love to socialize. I think BJ will be good for me, lol.
     
  18. bnlphan

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    Betting Strategies???

    Just wondering what betting strategies that you all used. Generally I find myself playing from a shoe so I disregard any card counting. I've read that the best betting strategy is to bet one unit...if you win let it ride. If you win you have 4 units..then let it ride again. If you win pull 7 units and start over that way you are playing mostly with casino money and not your bankroll. I play a little conservative after the second win I will pull the 3 units and start over. It seems with this strategy I pretty well stay even making my profit off of black jacks, splits and double downs. Now if I could only control my greed after 5-6 losing hands and stop making $50 bets at $5 tables I'd walk away a winner. Any comments?

    Brian
     
  19. Mikeaber

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    A lot of people play with betting strategies. Heck I do it too every once in a while to break up the monotiny of "flat betting." However, realize that no betting strategy you can employ will in any way alter the house edge. In the long run, you will still come out to the same negative expectation as though you were flat betting. You win loss ratio might change depending on variance and on the amount of money you are betting, but the percentages are not altered in the least for overall outcome as far as money lost due to the house edge.

    Truely, there are only three ways to win at blackjack:
    (1) Don't play. It's a negative expectation game. If you can't turn it into a positive expectation game, then you are going to loose in the long haul. Sorry, but that's the way it works.
    (2) Learn to count cards. That changes it from a slightly negative expectation game to a slightly positive expectation game. But that comes with it's own drawbacks such as playing with paranoia....fear that you will be caught and hassled or backed off at the very least.
    (3) Play Basic Strategy...bet however you wish or however your Bankroll dictates...but accept your enevitable losses (with a smile) as the cost of entertainment and consider it a profit thereby! It is, when played this way, to me the best game in the casino. And, who knows....you just might beat the odds and walk away more often a winner than a looser.....for a while anyway.

    There was something else I read in this thread (this is just my second post here, but I've tried to read the complete thread and it is a huge one!)

    The talk was about what to do on certain hands (soft-18 against a dealer paint comes to mind). There are a couple of plays I make that often, really torque some of my tablemates off. When playing at a table where the dealer hits 17's, I will double down with a soft-19 against a dealer 6. When dealt a pair of 9's, I will stand on 7 but will split on either an 8 or a 9. People often get upset thinking I'm playing inconsistantly with the 9's but honestly, it is the best bet. All of those plays are of course, straight out of the books.
     
  20. PWiddy

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    can somebody explain early and late surrender?
     
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