It is my experience that in Vegas all buy craps buy bets on the 10 and 4 have the vig paid only if it hits. So it is about half the house edge of that in Reno or Tahoe where you have to pay the vig up front. That said, all the places in Vegas I know of require $1 vig on a $20 to $25 bet on the 10 and 4. But I recall that some places allow you to press the bet up to $35 on the 4 and 10 with $1 vig. And I have heard some other places allow you to make a $70 with a two dollar vig. Does anyone know which places allow a $35 bet on the 10 and 4 with a dollar vig only it if hits? How about $70 with a two dollar vig?