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Automated Table Rating (PH)

Discussion in 'Comps' started by ChitownVegas, Apr 7, 2017.

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  1. Mr.TDub

    Mr.TDub Low-Roller

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    Hey, ya'll!

    I was playing BJ at PH last October. I noticed that they had these small automated machines at their tables. It allowed the dealer to swipe my card and enter my total cash-in to start my play. I think the chips had sensors in them to they could track average bet.

    The dealer told me it was something CET was testing. I hope this becomes the norm. I'm always nervous about my rating a tables since it's manual.

    Has anyone heard anything about CET converting their tables games to automated rating?

    Chitown.

    Sorry is this has been posted before. I did a search and didn't see anything.
     
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  2. Golfer

    Golfer Low-Roller

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    I hope it becomes the norm as well. But I suspect most players are going to find out they're overrated, not underrated. That's predicated on the chips having sensors, which is probably the only way they could electronically rack size of bet.
     
  3. NewOrleansSlimm

    NewOrleansSlimm MIA

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    I have had to deal with total rewards several times for under-rating, ive had over rating too...I remember two days in a row, i lost $700 each day on roullete, play 3 or 4 numbers and didnt hit anything, got less than 100 tier each time. another time I have a table play offer, played it, lost and walked away, got 350 tier credits...its all on how well the pit boss does his job. another time it took a few weeks to get right but I played a lot for a while and only got around 800 tier, they reviewed my play, call the supervisors ect and my 800+ turned to almost 9000 before any bonus.

    so im fine with this system being tried, my thing is how the chips hold up over time
     
  4. ducc

    ducc Low-Roller

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    I hope they bring it to ph as well, hopefully spread across all games. I've been underrated at roulette too many times. And i hate having to check with the pit boss before leaving the table. Most of the time I'm gambling not thinking/worrying about how Im being rated. Many times on the tables I don't even bother to put my card on.
     
  5. AbFab

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    Just got back from Vegas and Cormwell had it too.
     
  6. HuskerBB

    HuskerBB High-Roller

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    The dealers scan in your card and enter the initial buy-in - but I don't think the chips have sensors to record average bet. Frankly that would take more than just sensors in the chips - they would need to have something in the table to tell what is bet at each spot. I read earlier about testing something like that in Aria awhile back but I think it was a table mechanism not chip sensors. The other thing that makes me doubt that is the fact that chips remain in play for several years. Very common for the lower denomination chips to have pictures on one side that designate specific events. They make those chips for the events but then they remain in play for years after.

    I think the PH model just gets the original data (player ID, buy-in and start time) entered by the dealers which frees up time for the pit bosses and allows them to cover more tables. Overall in Vegas and elsewhere pit bosses are covering more tables than they did 10-15 years ago. Of course back then everything was recorded manually. Bottom line I am pretty sure at least at PH that the pit boss is still the one that puts the average bet into the system.
     
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  7. Scotch12rox

    Scotch12rox Low-Roller

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    NCL uses these on their ships. The dealer records buyin and cash out but I still think a floor person has to enter bet average or you just get the table minimum. The advantage to this, I think, is you start getting tracked with your first hand. Whereas oftentimes without your system your card can just sit in the tray forever (it seems) while waiting for someone to notice.
     
  8. dsilver619

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    It is great to get your buy-in recorded right away and start your time but you still need to check before leaving. At PH I checked to see how many tier credits I had earned to try and track my daily total and it was very low for my average bet. When asking the floor person they noted that unless the floor changes your average you only are rated at the table minimum. The previous floor had been over several times and checked the system but I guess never changed anything. The floor pwrson I asked had just came on and since I knew her she changed my average bet up to make up for it. Also I was told if the dealer misses the light spot with the card it does not count that hand as a hand you played. I noted all of this in the survey they sent me and was called and they said they are working to fix any problems people experience with this system.
     
  9. pirviii

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    I think this would be easy to implement for BJ or any game with a single betting area per player. When the dealer enters your card they assign it a spot and RFID in the chips counts the bets in each spot, counts the number of hands and you have an actual and not an average bet per hour. Plus, it frees the pit from having to keep track and improves accuracy.
     
  10. NewOrleansSlimm

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    maybe this can help track overall win/lose at the casinos...usually they are in the ballpark but I just checked my win/lose for 2017, I went to rio to get my badge, I bought in for $300, went up down, almost lost it, got up and back down again. I left -$25, they rated me pretty good for the short play I done but they have me in for losing $300 instead of just $25
     
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    Barona in San Diego used to have a "chipless" pit, where all the tables had ipads built in to each betting spot..it was awesome!
    Unfortunately a few things wrong...
    1. Licensing fees were ridiculous
    2. The house couldn't fuck up and take a winning bet from a ploppy.
    3. On that same token, the dealer couldn't fuck up and overpay...
    Eldorado in Reno used to have a similar thing, called MindPlay, where it tracked everything (even how WELL you played blackjack, to give an EXACT theo)
     
  12. Mr.TDub

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    Thanks for the feedback.

    I prefer BJ over slots. I'll play slots because I know CET skews toward slot players and sometimes I just want to make sure my points are in accurately. Every now and then I'll make conversation with pit bosses. I do think ratings are all over the place when it comes to roulette! Sometimes I have to flag the pit boss to come swipe my card after starting my play, sometimes 5 or 10 minutes later.

    I don't see table players asking about their ratings often. I assume it's not bad etiquette to ask before you leave the table.
     
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    Not at all. After you color up, just sidle up and say "Can I ask what you have me down for?"

    As far as that goes, during a session, it never hurts to place and clearly call out a dealer bet while he's looking, either.
     
  14. tex55

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    I hope they bring this concept to the craps table. It appears most craps players are not rated properly (from what I read on here).
     
  15. jsn1992

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    It would definitely make the gambling life a bit easier, and you would get your accurate rate, rather than just settling for something lower for your average bet. I don't think it's a bad idea at all to ask the pit boss what they have you down for either, it's just an honest question and not bad etiquette.
     
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