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Aria Comps = or lack thereof

Discussion in 'Comps' started by tiffs17, Feb 21, 2013.

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  1. Tubbs

    Tubbs High-Roller

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    Thanks for the background info. You have nothing to lose by contacting a host at Bellagio. Just state that you are considering moving your play there next trip and ask what they can do for you. You can then make an informed decision.
     
  2. JDinTN

    JDinTN MIA

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    People can talk about theo all they want but when someone wires $20,000 front money and plays almost $300 average bet for 4 hours per day along with some slots and all Aria is doing is comping 3 nights in a regular room and just covering a couple hundred of food in total that is a crying shame! That play is more than mine and I usually get better than that at equally good places like Wynn and Bellagio.

    I'd like to know what the theo guys think because common sense tells me a player like that shouldn't be stuck paying casino rate for any night -- much less 2 of the nights.
     
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  3. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    Hey MGM doesn't need to comp players when they are focusing on what truly matters to gamblers in Vegas:

    http://www.mgmgrand.com/staywell/


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  4. Funkhouser

    Funkhouser In Charge of the Big Door

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  5. Funkhouser

    Funkhouser In Charge of the Big Door

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    It's all about the perceived value of the product the company has. RIght now people are willing to plunk down real cash at inflated values for this stuff. I say F'em I'll move my business down the street or to a better market where I get treated better. To me its about being a savy consumer. The dualopoly on the strip has won for now. I am waiting to see how the Vegas offers shake out for late Q2 and Q3 this year. Im still hanging in there but reducing my strip trips.
     
  6. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    yes I am with you on the response.

    as the comps have gotten worse, I have reduced from 10 to 6 to 2 trips per year. I am now spending 33% of my gambling time off strip and have reduced overall vegas time spent gambling at least 50% over the past 2 years.

    I could spend more than I used to, but like you said its all about being a savvy consumer and about emotion. I now budget for the whole year what I used to spend on one trip. And its not a chicken-egg thing, I cut back AFTER I got screwed on comps.

    They may have won for now in controlling the market, but they have failed miserably at the most important battle---controlling the consumers emotions.

    i have to say, after my December experiment virtually ignoring the CET/MGM's I really enjoyed my trip and it felt so much more like a vacation. I was able to find the amenities and gaming conditions and experience I wanted just as easily spending 90% of my trip at Cosmo/Casino Royale/Golden Gate.

    Of course we strip crawled and made short stops at Aria and Caesars, just long enough to gut those pricks and spill out some of their cash into my wallet. Very satisfying indeed.

    Planning to replace those Aria/Caesars visits with more Casino Royale and add'l off-strip next trip. Why give them anything?
     
  7. Chuck2009x

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    I just got back from a trip, 5 nights comp at Caesars (via TR webpage) and 5 nights at Aria with 3 comped and 2 at casino rate (via VIP Services).

    I slightly underplayed at Caesars, but got way more Tier Credits than normal (6,700), and had a slightly larger than normal loss (due to, guess what, roulette). I was actually able to get charges comped off the back end at Ceasars this trip, beyond the rewards credits I had accrued, which is a first.

    So far, my rates in the CET availability calendars are worse than before; Caesars system is normally pretty fast at adjusting them, but I want to see what happens after the 1st of the month before I draw a conclusion.

    At Aria, I way underplayed tables compared to usual, but based on my Tier Credits, I figure I played off enough on slots (a couple of lengthy, very lucky sessions on a 10 cent slot playing $2 a spin) to cover the three comped nights.

    I figure my play at Aria over the 5 nights was about 60% of my normal play (formerly at MB), which should cover the 3-of-5 nights comped, leaving me over-comped for the 2 nights at casino rate. Due to low table play and the lucky slot sessions, my loss was way lower than usual.

    I haven't gotten corporate or property-specific offers in my MLife account for a couple of years. One thing I do notice is that in the revamped MLife web site, my discounts due to Tier status are much more significant than before, although, depending on the room type, still in some cases not as good as publicly available offer codes.

    It takes MLife a little longer to reflect trip play, so we'll have to see what happens.
     
  8. tiffs17

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    Well, I called Bellagio, confirmed my $287 a hand for 20 hrs last trip, and also he tried to offer me two nights upfront, lol. I had asked him what he could offer as I was thinking of making a change from the Aria. I told him my damn Mlife offer is better than he was giving, so he backtracked and said 3 nights in regular room and $75 resort credit.....

    Man, I just wish CET had better hotels and BJ rules, because I need to make a switch. This pretty much sounds like they are going the route of V/P. Will probably work out the same for them, the greedy bastards.....

    So, I am sure not thinking it's the hosts fault. From what I'm gathering, they don't have any leeway for their clients unless they are true shooters like, Nate, Jilly, and some others here. For the rest of us, looks like we are shit out of luck to be getting comped like we are used to these last 15 years or so.
     
  9. Tellafriend

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    Having started my gambling education at age 19 in Biloxi and then onto my post graduate degree at Philadelphia, MS (Silver Star) at $10 per hand and then i graduated. For years I visited all of the major casions in Biloxi and was a damn big time gambler at $25 a hand who would on a roll go all the way to $100 or even $150. I was treated like a king. RFB and spa. Done. I can't stand to hear that even at Aria, which is really a nice place, $300 a hand for 4+ hours doesn't warrant a room comp throughout the trip. Sad.
     
  10. sddunes

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    Stayed there for the first time on an offer for 3 nights in a corner suite plus $100/day FB. Lost $6K playing BJ and slots and the next offer that came up was for a regular room and $150FB. Was hoping it would've remained the same.

    Was also initially assigned a host when I called in the offer but have never heard from them.
     
  11. Viva Las Vegas

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    I have any two nights "upfront" Cosmo rooms based on two hours of $50 - $100 rated play within the past year, 2-3 hours per day (6 total) of same play on my last comp stay and similar play for 6 hours one night, my first visit. 14 hours = 4 nights comped + 0 host interaction at far lower average time and bet.

    I'd call Cosmo, Wynn and/ MGM to see what they can do to establish you as a new player based on your stated averages and go from there.

    Cosmo has the same rules as Aria for your level of play ($200/hand S17, 2 Deck, DAS). Wynn should have a decent offer for consistent $300 / 4 hour daily play. Wynn offers the same game (DAS S17 with the bonus of surrender) at $100 but w/ 6 decks.

    You should also be able to get nice rooms at MGM for your play, and they have the same table conditions as Aria / Bellagio.

    I've played two deck hit and run at Aria and liked the conditions, but not enough to commit 4 hours + a night at much higher average bet on the chance they may throw a couple of nights my way. By their recent attitude, you'd be led to believe the MILFe chick is included in their upfront offers.

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  12. sailboat310

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    Double deck at the cosmo is now h17 as of late last year.
     
  13. BeeeJay

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    Maybe they can film a spin off of Long Island Medium at Aria.....

    cuz that place is about to be a fucking GHOST TOWN! :evillaugh
     
  14. Viva Las Vegas

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    Thanks for the update. There were no hand shuffles at Cosmo's $25 or $50 tables during my last visit so I just walked through last time, but saw DD before w/ S17 at higher limits during my last stay at the casino.

    MGM still had S17 at the game I played last November, a six deck $50 game and DD at black chip level. I like the six deck when I can press two hands during a good shoe.

    I hope the OP can find a decent game with decent comps elsewhere. I'll take the $25 game decent rule tables for hit and run at MGM, Bellagio and Aria while they last, but most of my play has shifted elsewhere over the past two years.
     
  15. natedog666

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    The problem is that they can tighten up because business IS picking up...
     
  16. BeeeJay

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    it's picking up as measured by head count, but how about average spend and room rates?

    anyone in business knows there is "good business" and "bad business". If they considered us "bad business", I would expect to see a bigger improvement in "good business" as measured by room rates & average spend.
     
  17. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    It's the inverse hooker kagle relationship :evillaugh
     
  18. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    where do you play now?
     
  19. Kickin

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    That chick in the video definitely puts the MILF in MLIFE.
     
  20. Viva Las Vegas

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    I have shifted my focus from mostly Blackjack to Video Poker (9/6 JOB or 10/7 DDB) and live Poker (Tournaments and limit games) and Blackjack. Over the past three trips, my BJ play has resulted in decent comp offers from Red Rock and LVH (both 2D DAS, Surrender but H17). I also get random two night Cosmo comp offers about once or twice a year via email. I earned decent comps from TI as well. MGM, Aria and Bellagio are good for hit and run, but not comps.

    The Boyd Downtown casinos and 4 Queens comp for 9/6 JOB or 10/7 DDB quarter/dollar action, so I'll split my trips part downtown / part strip. I became addicted playing three line $1 9/6 JOB during my free Road to Rewards trip in Atlantic City 9Platinum in a Day). That may get me in some trouble down the road.

    I have the same dilemma as you regarding weak Strip VP pay tables (CET or MGM) and hassles playing the comp game. I enjoy my trips a lot more when I could care less about future comps, and play the amounts and length of time I want vs. comp expectations.

    I've paid to try hotels I haven't stayed at before, and if I play I typically have my room comped on the back end. This worked most recently at Red Rock (mostly BJ plus horse racing & VP) and The California (20,000 VP points in two nights + BJ w/ poor rules). I typically can rate $50-$100 + because I'll play two hands when running good, drop down or hit the bathroom when the shoe or my luck is running bad.

    My brother moved out to Summerlin, so I like hanging out there a bit for a portion of the trip so we can drink in the evening - he'll also get a room downtown during the weekend. I may try out Sun Coast and JW Marriott for a portion of future trips.
     
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