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Are Vegas' best day behind us or yet to come?

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Kisby, Dec 19, 2020.

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Are Vegas' best days behind us or yet to come

  1. Behind us

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  2. Yet to come

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  1. Headache 21

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    I've had a few virtual conferences this year - and god damn do they suck.

    I think the hesitancy may be financial at first - but in time I do believe conferences will return to pre-pandemic levels.
     
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  2. Raven888

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    Yeah... I think some people are forgetting that there is an entire conference/convention industry employing who-knows-how-many people, and they will do whatever they can to make sure they still have jobs.
     
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  3. Paul K

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    Sadly behind us.

    Competition from Macau for the Chinese high rollers, local/tribal casinos for Americans. Rona basically put the convention industry on life support and while it will come back it won't be nearly as strong as it was. Far too many massive luxury hotels and celeb chef restaurants. The fact that the resorts are so massive means they need a steady stream of patrons. While business while get back to levels much higher than now, it will take a while to fully get back to normal if ever.

    This all doesn't mean Vegas won't still thrive, but its golden age is behind it.
     
  4. Legion

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    In my opinion Covid has speed up destruction of Vegas. Actually the destruction of brick and mortar. I’m in my 30s more and more starting to opt for the easy way.. Uber eats, post mates and things of that nature.. Never have to leave the house..The younger crowd is all about instant access without leaving the comfort zone.. Take a gander at who owns .casino, .gamble and so on... Less labor, less utilities, less property tax.. Writing is on the wall. Commercial real estate is tanking.. Conventions will be held online.. Pay for which exhibit you want to view.. Vegas already started to suck.. Constant nickel and dime of value seeking customers.. 3/2, stand on soft 17, late surrender.. State of Pennsylvania has it all.. For 5 dollars a hand.. No need to hop on a plane.. Wanna lay a bet on favorite team? By 2024 ACG predicts 41 states will allow you to do it.. Vegas lays in middle of dessert.. When will the water run out? When that happens kiss the local market good bye.. I’m no pessimist.. Yet in life I have learned.. If it walks and quacks.. No matter how much I don’t want to believe it’s a duck.. It ends up being a duck..
     
  5. rallen

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    For safer and healthier, I would look at Circa downtown. The Circa casino has floor-to-ceiling ventilation, and that should reduce smokiness in the casino. That's just one example of modernization that should make for a healthier environment. I think that healthier eating options will be more common and hotel amenities will improve.
    For safer, again Circa is checking the ID of patrons. I think identification and behavioral monitoring of people in the casinos and indoors generally will be improved with technology, and that should reduce opportunist crime.
     
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  6. 44inarow

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    To be fair, (1) there are very few people visiting Vegas that don't have an ID, (2) if you're drinking or gambling, you need to provide ID upon request and NGCB is very serious about that, (3) if you flew here or checked into a hotel, you presumably have an ID, and (4) it's not like they're keeping records on this stuff. I'm all for safety measures, but I don't think having to show an ID does all that much. And just as a data point, my ID (US Passport Card) doesn't scan on standard commercial readers, and it's not like a security guy is manually entering my info (the card only includes my name, date of birth, and place of birth anyway).
     
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    I'm guessing the poster is referring more to facial recognition software technology - which is coming and coming quickly to casinos.
     
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  8. Mudhen

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    Depends on what you like.

    If you like the "old school, Rat Pack" type of Las Vegas, well, it's pretty much gone. If you like night clubs, expensive drinks, and smoking dope, then the best is yet to come. Covid won't last forever.

    Young people still like to go out to party, get drunk, get stoned, and get laid, so as long as Las Vegas has that to offer, I suspect they will keep going there.
     
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    The best thing about being a born pessimist is that if anything good does happen then it’s a bonus! Sadly I think the best days are firmly behind us, though would love to be proved wrong.
    The arrival of Circa and Resorts World is symptomatic of the heralding of large, expensive resorts. Don’t expect any loosening of slots or minimums any time soon.
    A lot of people just abandon al common sense in Vegas and like to equate heavy spending with enjoyment. They justify the expense by claiming that they have saved up for ages and that they have already written off their outlay.
    Whichever buffets do survive will undoubtedly be very expensive and future shows will rocket in price and any discounts will be meagre.
    The nickel and diming has sucked the fun away, whereas in the past regular small wins on slots and 2 for 1 buffets engendered a feel-good factor, encouraging loyalty to certain casinos.
     
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  10. ken2v

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    Vegas has survived its every iteration. If it morphs to a point in the future where it doesn't meet someone's personal needs and interests the world is a very large place.
     
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  11. JaDubya

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    @ken2v I agree! I remember the first local here. Prior to that we had to go to Reno to gamble. Now they have buffets, concerts, sports book, etc, a lot of what Vegas offers without some of the fees and hassle. Granted, they are currently suffering the same problems, but they will likely be more than happy to welcome the seniors if Vegas reinvents itself for a younger crowd.
     
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    Why all the pessimism about Vegas’ future?

    Let’s hear your version of its pinnacle....It might help me understand the doom and gloom.
     
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    Couldn't possibly have said it better myself. I know the board's population is very gambling-centric, and this is my own anecdotal experience, but I can't even begin to count the number of people I know who've been to Vegas dozens of times and have never sat down at a gaming table or slot machine. I've seen full 6:5 H17 tables all the time. Obviously these are very different times for now, but I honestly believe that reports of Vegas's death are greatly exaggerated.
     
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  15. iamsomedude

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    If Vegas wants its best years ahead of it, it needs to set the trends, not follow them. Vegas's chief trendsetter is gone from the scene, so we'll see if this sports and event-focused iteration will be enough to maintain interest in Vegas for next 20 years.
     
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  16. LVisBeautiful

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    I just got done watching the Vegas episode of the Queens Gambit, and I also so the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel Vegas episode, and I absolutely need to say "yet to come".

    ~Technology, who wants to watch a tiny TV with no Netflix, sorry the 50s were cool, but there were a lot of things that they missed out on, cell phones, apps, better TV, flatscreens. Plus they thought smoking was healthy...and it permeated way worse then than now.

    ~Choice. There are way more choices, and its no just "sin" city its everything. You can be naughty, you can go to a spa, you can go shopping, or do all three. There's something for everyone and its all fun, you don't just have to gamble. You have more choices.

    That being said, I would love to see vintage casino operations, like in those shows. I would like to see machines that are less electronic and seem less tied to a ludic loop, lower table limits, more service..cocktails flowing..and better odds like 3/2 blackjack.
     
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    It will come down to how strong conventions return to LV. Every convention revenue dollar and its associated guaranteed profit that is lost will have to be made up by gamblers & other causal visitors and most people on this board will not like those changes.
     
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    If we're talking about the pandemic, Vegas will rebound. It always has before.

    If we're talking about Vegas in general, Vegas will rebound. It always has before. ;)

    I was new to Vegas in the 90s when construction was booming and it seemed like there was at least one new resort every time we visited. I miss a lot about those days, mostly the favorable gaming conditions, generous low-roller comps, and bargain hunting. Some of that is gone. Maybe forever. I don't know.

    I'm looking forward to seeing Circa and Resorts World, and the Sphere, if they ever finish it. I will be back. Not sure when and how strong the pull will be when I book another trip, but there will be another trip.

    I've been running this site for over 20 years now and I've seen this thread come up from time to time. It's funny how many of the people in the early 2000's were sure Vegas was done. And then when we had the recession in the late 2000's, this time for sure it was over for Vegas. Somehow, even in the pandemic, things still seem to be churning right along, despite everything.
     
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  19. Headache 21

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    Chronocentrism is big in all of us.

    There have been bad times before. Some things will change, most things will not. Life will go on. Vegas will be back.
     
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    Behind us for sure

    - Resort fees going through the roof
    -Traditionnal buffet gone or going away
    - Buy a bag of chips at hotel store on wednesday 3$ buy same bag saturday its now 5$ thanks to dymamic procing
    - Nickel and diming on absolutely everything
    -Hidden concession fees
    -Almost no places on strip for a cheap meal
     
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