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Anybody Miss Old Downtown?

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels' started by Electroguy563, Nov 3, 2013.

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  1. wrxrob

    wrxrob High-Roller

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    Downtown is still (as of last visit a couple years ago) my home. :nworthy:

    As far as I'm concerned, the strip actually seemed more "grimy" than DT, last time we stayed. I think this is because downtown is REALLY trying to be clean, while the strip properties are hurting so bad, they don't have the $$$ to allocate resources to keeping their streets clean, and they have a whole lot more real estate to cover.

    Seriously, we felt safer outside El Cortez at 2am than we did outside Bally's at 11pm.

    I agree with ajonate! The strip does need to go back to the old business model, but that still won't be enough.

    How will the strip casinos pay off their billion dollar mortgages? Simple..... I wouldn't be surprised if Las Vegas legalized marijuana in some sort of fashion. If that were to occur, I have a feeling certain places would embrace the idea, and make plenty of dough. It would be a reason to return to the town that offers something few other places allow. Legalizing prostitution would further that cause (and help some aging DT properties, like say the LVC), but I can't see that ever happening in Vegas in my lifetime at least.
     
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    That used to be it for me too. But that's when Binion, Gaughan and Exber were running the joints. Now DT is a shell of what it was IMHO.
     
  4. Tree DA

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    You need to read more if the word spartan threw you for a loop.:poke:

    If "old downtown' means downtown without 'stripper dealers' then no, I don't miss it. I can still find plenty of cheap food and beer and $5 3:2 tables so the addition of dancing girls is a net win.
     
  5. wrxrob

    wrxrob High-Roller

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    :eek: OK, while I hate this song, I never knew they filmed a music video on Fremont street, out of all the times I've visited the town.

    Then again, in 1987 I was 9 years old, and did not know Las Vegas existed. Probably saw this video many times on MTV, and never realized....
     
  6. crefan

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    Personally I love the old DT it's very cozy and I enjoy the people down there.
    Those are my kind of people.
    They're slowly killing the atmosphere with all the junk their putting down there.
    There's no real need for a zip line and all those kiosks that litter the streets.
    Move that junk to the strip.
     
  7. Iu25

    Iu25 High-Roller

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    This is the kind of post that makes no sense to me, lower class equals smoking??? The comment in itself is just too much. Smokers DT only smoke where the hotels let them IMHO, if the hotel says no to the lobby then then usually management is on top of it, I've seen it many times. Regardless, and I'm not sure when society will ever figure this out, but if you are sitting in a casino that allows smoking( what ones don't), people will sit beside you and smoke. Now blowing smoke in your face is a whole different story, but getting upset with a paying customer next to you smoking is just friggin absurd.
     
  8. MikeOPensacola

    MikeOPensacola El Jefe

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    I'm having a ball downtown. Admittedly, the gaming and number of venues is down from the heyday of downtown in the 80's. But the gaming is much better than the strip. Lower minimums and generally better rules. The people at FSE amuse me, and I don't mean that in a condescending way. There are so many people out there just trying to make a living dressed up in every fathomable way, it's kind of fun to see. Not too many panhandlers. The way I see it is if any of these things bother anyone, a reasonable person can ignore whatever bothers them and still have a great time. When I go to the strip and have all the hawkers and slappers virtually in my face it is very hard to ignore or dismiss.

    Lots of great music downtown, something for everyone. Same thing with the casinos. Places like the Golden Gate offer a very friendly cozy feeling while others like the GN have more of the strip feel.

    I can not figure out why LVC is in the shape it is in. Great location, but it seems to be on life support. Same thing with The Plaza. Actually the plaza at least from a gaming point of view seems to be worse off than LVC, which is pretty sorry.

    Binions needs to get their hotel opened up, but from conversations I had with some employees there the reopening of the hotel isn't even on the horizon.:peace::beer:
     
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    The Pioneer had a great location and was a fun place. Now they sell tshirts there. Ugh. LVC used to be a fun place. Exber had some cool sports memorabilia, there was good gambling, good service, the rooms were nice, they had a nice restaurant, Great Moments room. It all started going to hell once the place was sold. It's sad to see what Binion's has become.
     
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    Ajaonate: While I hope you are right that in the next 3 to 4 years they will return to the old business model of cheap rooms and food and make up the difference in casinos I respectfully think this is just a pipe dream.

    #1. Unless the Government oficially outlaws "Resort Fees" as it were it won't be much longer before EVERY casino hotel downtown charges them. They are making too much "Money for nothing" (as I like to call it) money off of them and I don't see them NOT charging these fees when every other place in town is doing so and making money off of them. Suffice to say...don't be too surprised if SWA starts charging for checking your bags (Keep in my this is being said completely off the record as I have no inside knowledge of SWAs intent to charge for bags) because every other airline already does so.

    #2. I don't think the bean counters will allow it to happen.

    #3. Places are being renovated and renovations cost money and that money has to come from somewhere usually in the form of higher room rates. The only place I haven't seen this get out of hand is when the el cortez went from having the ogden house as a secondary hotel for their overflow to being the Cabanna Suites. These are usually affordable and the ambience is worth the price compared to the 16 dollars a night the hotel used to charge for the abysmal ogden house.

    Now don't get me wrong I HOPE I'm wrong here and that you are right. But those are my reasons for thinking that it probably won't happen. At least not anytime soon.
     
  11. crefan

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    I may be wrong but the message I got was "Quit being such a whiny b***h":rolleyes2:
     
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    As long as people pay, the room rates will stay + resort fees will stay inflated. What I've never understood is why casino marketing doesn't do a better job of traffic management. If it is a slow time of year, extend comps to people that would never qualify in high traffic times. Downtown does a better job of this than the strip. The Venetian actually stopped comping relatively high rollers in the heart of the recession as a way to raise revenue. It backfired in a pretty extreme way. If you know your hotel is half empty, you are better off having people eating food, seeing shows and low rolling. The "vibe" of these places relies on big crowds. Ever walk around a casino on the strip at 7am on a Wednesday? Imagine that activity level at the Venetian on a Friday at 6pm. That is what their comp policy did before they reversed course.

    Kind of off topic. Sorry
     
  13. GrtWitHntr

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    I said it in a gentler way though.....:beer:
     
  14. sconnie

    sconnie Downtown Kinda Guy

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    I couldn't agree with you more Huddler. I first experienced this at the Cal about 15 years ago. My wife's a cute little redhead, easy to remember. Me, I'm a pretty unremarkable guy (esp before I shaved my head). The dealers at the Cal and MSS ALWAYS remember us and say hi, many even knowing our names before we get out our player's cards.

    Sconnie
     
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