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Table Games $5 Craps tables Downtown

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Electroguy563, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Question: Do you think the Downtown properties would ever be crazy enough to raise it to say, $10 minimums?

    There already are some properties who already have done this, GN among some others come to mind.

    I'm not sure that would be a great idea, but with all the nickel and dimeing going on and changes in the player's programs, it makes you wonder. I'm a $10 player but I appreciate $5 tables for the option of lower betting when you're getting your ass kicked. With $10 tables you don't have that option. Lots of the craps players Downtown buy in for $100 or $200 per session. On a $10 table that's usually not enough ammo to weather variance.

    With labor being the biggest expense in running these games I'm thinking mgt. might eliminate couple of tables and go with 2-$10 tables instead of 5- $5 tables.

    I know when the Cal opens a $10 table you usually see only 3-5 people on it while the $5 tables are packed. With only higher limits these $5 players will bust out faster with the casino being the winner and the players losing faster with a negative and unfavorable experience.

    Or most will opt to not play at all and the casino loses revenue. Which is on them for being greedy.

    What's your take on this. Do you think Downtown craps players will tolerate a higher minimum?
     
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  2. LoveDowntownVegas

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    Are you referring to the standard minimum being $10 across the board? I'm asking because I typically play at the D, GG, and Binions. I've seen all three of these properties raise a table to $10 on the busy nights, and have seen minimal impact on the table crowds. Granted the $5 table is still the "popular" table, but the $10 table (when busy) isn't far behind.

    In general, I think craps players will tolerate a higher minimum as long as the table still has favorable odds (5x or better).
    I think the causal gambler will not "tolerate it", but will move on to something within their budget.

    When I'm at a higher minimum table, I have to modify my bets slightly to accommodate the change, but in general, moving to a $10 table has little impact if you're mainly focused on making money on the odds.

    at $15, it gets a little trickier, in my opinion.
     
  3. Clay

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    I hope they keep the 5.00 minimums. I look at downtown CRAPS as a craps players heaven.

    So many tables to choose from within walking distance.

    Clay ... ..... .......
     
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  4. Calder

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    If they did, I'd likely quit Las Vegas.
     
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  5. hail2skins

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    I've been going to Vegas for over 25 years, but for the past 10 years I've been on pretty much annual trips with a group of guys from work. Much to the chagrin of some in the group, when we started this tradition, I decided that we'd stay downtown. We also stayed on the Strip during some of the early trips, but pretty much stayed downtown for a lot of the recent ones. One of the guys is out there this weekend for his brothers 50th birthday, and he texted me last night saying "downtown is so much better than the Strip." He is staying at the Venetian and made it sound like it was tough to find anything lower than $15 on where he'd been on the Strip so far.

    If downtown did go to $10, I'd like them to make it like Atlantic City (and Maryland) in that you can bet less than single odds if you want. It sounds a bit hokey, but I'm a low roller, and if I'm at a $10 table in AC, I'll initially back it up with $5 in odds and then press my odds as numbers are hit. But during my last trip to AC this summer, I was playing a $10 table (utilizing $5 odds). The table wasn't really cold or hot, but just kind of meh. Anyway, after about 4 hours, I quit down $300, and it just felt, like the table, a rather blah session.
     
  6. makikiboy

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    Not me. I stopped playing on the strip because of the higher minimums. I will not tolerate a higher minimum and will give my business to the $5 tables downtown.

    I guess the new Circa could try to establish $10 or higher minimums to try to set the downtown bar but I just won't play there. Same with GN. I don't like the stuffed shirts at GN so I don't play there. Too many other places have $5 tables downtown.

    Yes, there are $10 minimum tables downtown. MSS has a $10 table, used on weekends and busy times when the other $5 tables are crowded. GG also sometimes ups their tables to $10 on busy times, same with the Cal. No problem for me, I rent a car and will just drive out to Sam's town or somewhere else that has $5 tables. Nowadays I usually try to avoid the evening/early evening tables since they are usually too crowded and busy. I do other things (strip clubs!) in the evening and will gamble later at night.

    If downtown starts changing to $10 and higher tables I will consider staying somewhere off strip, off downtown.
     
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  7. gabbo164

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    $5 downtown craps is one of the main reasons I go to Vegas
     
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  8. topcard

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    In a word, no.
    Not anytime soon.
    GN gets away with it, but that's only because their primary customer 'draw' is for Strip players wanting to give downtown "a try".
    There are plenty of times (during the week & during the day) when I see empty, or nearly-empty $5 crap tables, with full crews.

    I think it's more likely that you'll see a reduction in operating hours at some of these before seeing them go to $10.
    (I do think that the $3 table at Fremont & "$3 sometimes" at the El-Co table will vanish soon, as they will stay just as busy @ $5 as they do at $3).
     
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  9. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Man, those $3 tables at the Fremont are ALWAYS packed, lol!
     
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    I've only ever played that table once...every other time I've walked by, it was packed... but since I always play $5+, I don't really need a $3 table, and there are always $5 tables available downtown that are not packed!
     
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    The most expensive craps I witness on Fremont is at Golden Nugget, they keep it at $10 - a lot, especially in comparison to other properties. On Friday and Saturday nights, I feel all of them switch to a $10 game. Your best chances of finding a $5 table all the time are at MMS and El Cortez, IMO.
     
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  12. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Yep, also the Cal very seldom will switch to $10. All of their tables will be usually $5. I remember one trip the Cal raised their tables on NYE to $10. This was a long time ago and I was a $5 craps player. I bought in with $200 and the boxman reminded me that the table was a $10 table. The table was pretty cold.

    I like to think that the boxman saw my sad miserable face because for some reason he announced that the table will be reduced to $5 minimum and he took down the $10 placard and replaced it with the $5 placard.

    I recall the table filled up fast after that. In my opinion $5 tables fits the Downtown demographic. The players love the game and love to play.

    I just can't help but think maybe in the future $10 tables will be the new minimum everywhere.
     
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    It'll be a matter of inflation and demand.

    I don't think inflation will drive it for some time as we aren't even out of $3 tables and even $1 tables were possible to find at one point in the last 10 years.

    I'd suspect $5 is sustainable as an "economically feasible minimum" for at least another decade. When $3 finally disappears, then you'll know that $5 is on deck next and even that will take some time.

    Demand is another matter all together. Downtown is growing in popularity but it's hard to imagine such a rush in demand that ALL of the properties could go to $10+ as the norm in a competitive environment in the near term.

    Bottom line is that I think $5 on Fremont is safe for awhile. The higher end properties like Golden Nugget will push on $10+ but the lower end properties will continue to compete on price like they always have.
     
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    I stayed at the D this weekend and I never saw the craps tables lower than $10 minimum.
     
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    Also, sometimes you can simply ask. I was at NYNY and wanted them to call Excalibur to see if they have a $5 table (they actually do this for you). The pit boss grandfathered me in for $5, and just asked me to stay.
     
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  16. LoveDowntownVegas

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    last month they had a $5 during the day, but as soon as it got hot, it shot straight to $10.. and on this note, I dont think I saw any $5 BJ tables the entire time I was at the D.
     
  17. The Rumor

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    The thing I would challenge you on is the rise of electronically dealt games. Craps, in particular, has an exorbitant amount of dealers, and it can be really slow when a table is full. Look at how well low limit craps is doing even on the Strip at $2-5 dollar games - it's just being dealt by machines. I would not be surprised to see some of these places phase out/down their $5 table offerings with more of an incentive to play on a bubble craps game.

    $5 tables aren't likely to be very profitable unless they are packed and there's a good amount of betting on sucker items
     
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    Another game that they have no reason to offer for $5 with a dealer when they can push you to a machine
     
  19. hail2skins

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    I started going to Vegas in the early 90s and relatively soon after started subscribing to the Las Vegas Advisor, which was promoting the locals casinos, which at the time seemed to be sprouting up as quick as the new places on the Strip. I enjoyed bopping between the various locals joints, from Fiesta in the NW to the Reserve (now Fiesta Henderson). But I don't think I've really been to an off-Strip casino since checking out Red Rock Station when it opened in 2006. If it got to the point where I didn't want to gamble for the stakes offered downtown, I don't think I could psych myself up for doing a locals-only LV trip.
     
  20. AceRothstein80

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    Even GN had alot of $5 tables during the day. It was packed downtown my whole stay, at night even The D craps games were all $10 or higher. Did not look at 4 Queens, Freemont or elsewhere.