Video Poker Full Pay Deuces Wild

coming out in december------vpfree2 shows 3 casinos with 25c fpdw games-----sams town and the 2 arizona charlies----any other casinos not on vpfree2?
can anyone confirm they are still there----and----can you get on the machines or do the local pros tie up the machines?
any other comments appreciated

 

For the beginner advantage player, its a good schooling. One will incur the monetary ups and downs of video poker. And it will be a good test of one's knowledge of the strategy. Piece of advice - write down any hand you are not 100% sure of and look it up later.

But at a $10 per hour earning rate, most seasoned LV "pros" do not play. Coin-in is "only" around $1,200 per hour which does not generate good comps, such as mailers and free play.

 

don----do you know if the games are still there?-----if so i take it the pros are not playing them for the reasons you state even though they are positive return-----have been playing this game for years

 

There is no reason to doubt VPfree2. It never takes long, after something gets moved or downgraded, for the change to be noticed by players and logged on the site. I recall that the Sam's Town FPDW machines play very slowly, likely as a casino countermeasure to stop you from getting too much coin through the machine.

Personally, if I were a beginner AP, I would not bother with FPDW. It is going the way of the dodo. It is better to learn NSU and learn it well. It is spread in lots of places, at higher denoms, and usually earns full slot club points. Hitting FPDW can often hurt your mailers. Just my two (or .25 ) cents

 

Agree with the above.
In fact all FPDW machines are super slow and super old, most keys not working properly, also often the players card reader not working.
Local people avoid those machines. Not fun to play on them.

 

The machines that have FPDW at Arizona Charlie’s (Decatur) are perfectly fine IMO in terms of speed/playability; admittedly the comp/FP earning rate isn’t the greatest but room offers are available and those games are not excluded from multipliers/promotions (at least they weren’t during my April/May trip ), so worth a shot for those who want some lower-stakes fun

 

Have to agree with gutshotSF. Plenty of NSUD around Nevada, including Mesquite and Reno. Its a relatively easy game to learn at the 99.5% accuracy or so. There are many one-offs, so achieving 100% accuracy ain't easy.

 

Somebody- perhaps Wizard of Odds, or maybe it was posted on the LVA, where some of us used to hang out- calculated that at quarters, even on a fast machine a pro would be lucky to make minimum wage at FPDW. I sat next to a pro once years ago at the Palms. He was amazing. His fingers moved so fast that if it had been a piano he could have played the Minute Waltz in 45 seconds. We encountered super slow FPDW machines at Sam's Town the only time we ever stopped there. There is a rhythm you develop once you get good at VP strategy. Even a klutz like me can play pretty fast, and when you have it going well you get sort of a high. The machines at Sam's Town were not a drug, they were a D-R-A-G.

I agree with the consensus. At 99.73%, easy to learn to play at 99%+ accuracy, and available in various denominations in many casinos, NSUD is about as good a VP game as one can get. But watch those pay tables or check vpfree2 closely to make sure you are sitting at the right machine.

 

Those are the words from a real VP player!

 

Sometimes I wonder if the young pro who was playing lightning fast VP next to me was in some sort of trance state from it. Might not care that he wasn't winning much.

 

I was playing at the Palms in December, 2009 (the week Aria opened), back when there was a bank of 10 FPDW 25c progressive machines (2 rows of 5 back-to-back) by the buffet. There was a guy to my right, then 2 empty machines. A young guy walked up to the empty machines, pushed one of the chairs out of the way and centered the other chair where the 2 machines met. He put on a pair of headphones, put money in both machines, and started playing one with his right hand, the other with his left. Both hands were moving at the same time. He was going at a normal speed, but since he was playing two machines that was twice as fast as someone playing one machine. The guy next to me told me the young guy was there all the time. I saw him doing the same thing again on a later trip (after they moved the machines by the front door) when we both were pulling an all-nighter. He was laser focused.
I saw a lot of the same faces every night I went in there, so those machines were popular with local AP players, even though the progressive hardly ever broke $1035.
New Palm owners: bring back the great vp if you want to appeal to locals...

 

would like to thank all those who commented and gave info and/or their advices

am famiilar with the nsud game,now my second choice ,having picked it up when the fpdw game became scarce

since i have comped rooms at mss will plan to give 8hrs a day play on the 3 nsud machines at mss,the 2 at california and the 10 at the orleans all of which are boyd properties to cover my comps and keep my sapphire card--normally would have played a decent amount of the 9/6 job game ,which is my third choice,at the boars -head bar ,but this is no longer an option----may play this game at the california

plan to play 2 to 3 hrs a day on the fpdw machines at arizona charlies decatur which has 6 machines and arizona charlies boulder which has 8 machines------

might add i have been getting comp rooms at mss for the past 12 years

all the above numbers taken from vpfree2

 

Good story. Thanks for sharing it.
But I have to say that guy's talent was wasted. Playing at 25c level, even two machines at the same time, can hardly earn any money.
That time, still plenty of opportunities around with much higher earning rate.

 

The "trance" state is quite true. I made 7* playing exclusively 9/6 JOB multi-hand, and I found the trick is to not even look at your win/loss and only focus on the correct play of the next hand. I even played right through hitting a Royal, and only realized it when I glanced at my total credits a few hands later.

 

I only saw the young guy there in the evenings (and the all-nighter was a Friday into Saturday) so my assumption was that he was a local with a day job, stopping by several nights a week to make some bucks and rack up a ton of points. A great hobby. Playing two machines simultaneously vs. one 50c machine would smooth out the variance, especially on a 100+% game. The Palms used to have a good players club; with my limited play even I was earning enough points for free buffets (the Lebanese green beans were excellent!). This guy must haven eaten like a king, and for a while the Palms let players exchange points for CVS/Walgreens gift cards.
About 10 years ago the Palms removed that bank of 10 machines so I stopped frequenting that casino. I also read 100% machines stopped earning points there a few years ago. I have never seen the guy anywhere else in Vegas. If he built up his bankroll and went 'pro', I'll never know. He'd have needed to switch to another game, and FPDW strategy lent itself to speed (vs, say, 10/7 DB).

 

I used to love playing 10/7 DB. It is a positive expectation game that has its own rather esoteric, or non-intuitive I suppose, strategy. Never tried to play it fast but I agree that it would be hard to do without making mistakes. Have not seen FPDB around for a while, but by now I would need a few thousand practice hands to relearn it. JOB, BP, NSUD, and FPDW can all be played fast enough to get that rhythm going, and they don't take a lot of practice to get your game back up to virtually error free.

 

10/7 DB used to be my downtown game, mainly at progressive machines by Magnolias at 4Q and scratch card eligible machines at MSS. Sadly, all those machines have been eliminated. I liked that it was a thinking man's game and I didn't worry about speed (unless the progressive was way up there and Magnolias row was full - never won that race). Both my 4Q royals were on those machines (same one - #7) when it was reIatively empty.
I have since gravitated to BP and JOB. Downtown needs more NSUD machines. "No points for you" at Ruby dissing Boyd casinos.

 

Right. For DB, the money is on the Flush and Straight, which is against the primary goal of the game: getting quads( to have a winning session).

 

I loved that bank of machines. Hit my first royal flush on that bank of machines. Used to stay at Gold Coast and then walk back and forth between GC and Palms depending on the mood.

 

California Casino leaving towards the check out counter STOP and go right at the last “alcove” and two machines facing are airport deuces according to @tringlomane a few years ago. Nickel up to 50 cents. Great trainer. BUT if a winner….ask for Veronica….I get 6%…..she gets 14…. Hey, I’m just a tourist