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Main Street Station Opening? Staff?

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels' started by PaiGow, Mar 6, 2021.

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  1. VPDeuces

    VPDeuces Dishwasher safe

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    This would so be me if I were in LV. I’d have my nose pressed up against all the windows trying to see what was happening inside.
     
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  2. Joe

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    Unless you go around to the west side past the valet parking area, there really are no windows to peer in. Those are the windows that were in the buffet area, but there are no windows to look into the casino area. And I suspect nothing has changed there.
     
  3. Tumpster

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    Yeah when there in April, went to the west side as Joe mentioned, and peered in. All games/lights on but nothing noticeable besides that.
     
  4. STS05

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    Saw this today…

    https://www.cdcgamingreports.com/las-vegas-no-buffets-but-baby-boomers-back-to-boyd/

    “Also remaining closed are Main Street Station downtown and Eastside Cannery on the Boulder Strip. Hirsberg said that the two casinos’ customers have been successfully rerouted to nearby Boyd properties and that any reopening would be driven strictly by demand.”

    Lots more contained in the article including staffing concerns, unrated play being a big chunk of profit and letting lower level players walk.
     
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  5. Joe

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    I love this line...“letting the lower-value ones walk away.”
     
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  6. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Vegas Joker

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    This type of thinking from Boyd in my opinion will eventually bite them in the ass. If Boyd thinks they can attract higher level players when there are countless other places way better in amenities and perks they must be smoking some weird shit.
     
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  7. tee6395

    tee6395 Downtown Dreamer

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    I read this as a statement in regards to the unrated players. The hits and splits, so to speak. I'm not sure how or why a focus off of those and on to higher-valued (read as in loyal BConned Customers) would be seen as bad. Perhaps they are rethinking the continuous screwing of those "higher-level" and loyal customers? One would hope so. Time will tell.
     
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  8. Joe

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    I sure didn't read it that way.
     
  9. tee6395

    tee6395 Downtown Dreamer

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    These are the statements from the article that led me to my point:

    " However, Hirsberg anticipates a growth in casino revenue from members of its B Connected players club and a decrease in lower-level unrated gambling."

    While this statement definitely leaves ambiguity overall:

    "Boyd is surveying customers and enlarging its database with an eye toward identifying higher-level patrons, while in Greff’s words, “letting the lower-value ones walk away.” The result is expected to be “optimal” company performance."

    I still read it as the really low-rolling of the bunch. No one ever puts emphasis on folks that are spending 10s of dollars. No point. No money to be made. I can't be mad at that.

    Perhaps I am putting too nice of a spin this morning? :wiggle:I will forever be hopeful that Boyd will take its collective heads out of its asses...I loved being a Boyd player back in the day and resent their horrible business decisions over the last 6-8 years.:nono:

    *shrug* I'm starting to get mad at myself because this is starting to sound like I'm defending them. Eeegads. I'm done here. lol:whistle:
     
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  10. mwig

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    As a player that has been deemed "not worthy" I am forced to question their decisions. I was loyal for many years and averaged well over 10k coin in per day. My game mix is not a mix at all. 100% VP is my style. I did get a 3 night comp at California for my upcoming trip and I will give them some play but the primary reason I picked them to start my trip was to play a poker tournament at the venetian with no sense of obligation to my hotel. I'll wait to see others report a better comp situation before attempting to go back to my normal days at Boyd.

    It amazes me that they make statements regarding lack of demand as the reason for not reopening certain properties while demand is booming for other companies. Do they not understand that their actions have to play a role? Baffling
     
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  11. joespoolhall

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    As soon as Boyd start approaching capacity DT, MSS will come into play. The driving factor should be the Hawaiian charters. As they go, so goes Boyd DT.
     
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  12. bubbakitty

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    1st hand observation. They opened the 2nd Street Grill for breakfast / lunch at Fremont. It looks sorta dark but somewhat just like the paradise used to.
    I asked the Food / Beverage manager / director if the old 2nd Street would ever return (expecting a yes or no response). He is very personable and chatted a bit.
    Paradise was getting long in the tooth. Equipment, facilities, restrictive space so they moved it over to 2nd St. space. They hope at some point to …….” and went on about priorities beyond his department and “demand”. His answer wasn’t a “yes”.
    In an earlier discussion on a previous trip he had said he did NOT see the MSS buffet continuing due to yearly losses when looking at staffing, cost of product and income realized from the paying public / hotel guests. But added the 777 has some new menu items that are “exciting and different” He gave a couple examples but either they weren’t in my area of desire or not impressive.
    Back in the day there were “loss leaders” or similarly termed that got the customer in the door and it was up to the hotel / casino to sway them to stay. Coupon books, free or really cheap buffet, free(?) drinks, and then to hook you further, reasonable levels to gamble at the table games, lessons, tournaments, etc. etc. Now it seems if it is not making money, it’ll be gone soon. Just so short sighted. (not just Boyd…..)
    I am slow to see. The resort fee is a direct money grab if you’re not using part of it to provide “benefits” for the guests (not just club member) who are providing the funding.
    That’s all. Let’s move along.
     
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    Reading the soul-less corporate speak from that Boyd CFO really makes you appreciate the way that folks like the Gaughan family operate.
     
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  14. Electroguy563

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    Yep. Downtown Boyd has a niche market established with the Hawaii people. I for one am at the edge of my seat eagerly awaiting how the Hawaiians will react to Boyd's top honcho declaring "letting the lower-value ones walk away".

    The majority of Hawaii gamblers are low rollers. They play for fun and that's why they like to visit Downtown Boyd properties. This niche market is successful because somebody from Boyd realized that Hawaii people, although low rollers, love to visit regularly and are loyal.

    It will be interesting to see if the Hawaii people are willing to open their wallets wider to play at a Boyd property that mid to high rollers consider mediocre as far as amenities and perks.
     
  15. bubbakitty

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    I had a conversation this last trip with someone that really wanted to pull the trigger but I balked. I am spoiled. Rotten. I like 5$ 3x4x5 odds (although 5-5-5 is fine) because I can bet the 6&8 and with odds have 20-25oe30$ on the line. I’m good for a lot of low rolling fun and tips for the boys.
    It will be interesting to see the reaction of the Hawaiians at 15$ minimum when last visit was 5 / 2x odds.
    To play my game I would have 30! 6&8 & 15 pass with 30 odds. That’s 105$. It wouldn’t be fun because I would worry about losing. And be out. And re-buy or pout.
    I think the lockdown could make them immune mentally for awhile but when the pocket dump comes ???? IDK. I hope it is not too harmful.
     
  16. joespoolhall

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    I'm sure they realize as much as anyone, what the last 15 months cost. Things will cost more now due to those losses. Casinos are like any other business. If they put out more than they bring in, adjustments are in order. It's pretty simple.
     
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  17. tfcoach72

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    Deleted, changed my mind about venting——but, I do miss my 5:00am VP/coffee session at BHB each morning and the visit with Oleg, etc.
     
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    Just a getaway! On the Gulf Coast—
    I really like this place!
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  18. majoro

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    Me too.

    "You sure just coffee, maybe a dash of Baileys?"

    "Oh go on then, it's nearly 8am"
     
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    This can be interpreted different ways. I read the same article and at first thought it referred to me as an expendable customer. Upon further review, I can see it differently. They might be talking about the customer that just walks in and plays without a players card. Debate will go on, but I can see it both ways.
     
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  20. Electroguy563

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    Maybe those customers that are unrated and play would be better off than the customers who play to stay (those "free rooms" they talk about).

    All subjective and no right or wrong way to do things.

    I'm still interested in why Boyd see the unrated players as non conducive to their business model. I see their play as 100% profit when they lose in the casino and we all know they will lose more than they will win.
     
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