Leaving CET

While I agree that CET comps have seem to be diminished for offers, though recently mine have gone way up. The comp rooms and backend comps being less is more likely due to other factors. I don't think the backend formula has been reduced from what I've seen. Your particular situation might be that your staying in nicer rooms/higher prices for those rooms reducing your backend comps for things like spa and food. As for the rooms, a specific ADT doesn't guarantee comped rooms, if the days your going are packed then you may not get comped rooms at your level of play. I'm a Seven Stars so I have comped rooms all the times but there are some weekends where I can't get suites comped because too many people staying there or the room rate for that particular weekend is beyond what they'll allow for my ADT. IMHO, I see all the talk about no LL or diamond lines, and I believe some will quit due to those, but the big advantage for lower rollers with CET is they are the easiest to get free rooms. If they adjust it to the point where they aren't the easiest to get free rooms, then there will be absolutely no reason to stay at a CET Property in Vegas unless they do something to upgrade their properties. They can't expect the same level of play as an MGM or Wynn or Cosmo for free rooms when their rooms aren't as nice. I don't think all the rest of their cuts will really impact enough of their player base to hit their bottom line. People will gripe (even me) about them, but it really won't cause enough players to quit them, but they will lose alot of diamond level players if the comp rooms become harder to get.

 

IMO, the #1 differentiator Caesars has is guaranteed no resort fees for Diamonds. Truly free rooms for their captive players.

 

Well you are assuming the rooms are still comped, which was my point. I doubt many will be like hey I gotta pay for my rooms, but no resort fee!!!

 

It's true. But for a real gambler who earned his/her Diamond from gambling, it's not special at all.
With the same action, you can get the no-resort-fee rooms at Wynn, V/P, Cosmo, MGM.

 

So far, I'm still getting free rooms at CET with no resort fees. The resort fee waiver is probably one of the main reasons I'm still at CET. Sure, the others might waive it too at the back end, but I'd like to go in already knowing I don't have to pay anything for my hotel and not have to rely on a host's discretion to comp it. The only other reason is that I have a local CET casino which makes it easier.

Incidentally, I just matched to Gold at mLife and I don't really see any benefits there that stands out. So, I guess until CET stops giving me rooms for $0, I'd stick with them for now.

 

Very much this! Not for those who play a lot at their locals and earn Diamond through 20+ visits a year, or those who did this through match, etc. But for those who achieve diamond in a couple of visits a year to Vegas, then you'll end up with RFs waived at the competition as well. It's just not spelled out in the T&C's of tier like it is for Diamond.

 

It's not back end, the offers come with a waived resort fee once you qualify.

And the benefits for MLife are based on Play, not Tier.

 

Am I wrong? Let’s say 50$ resort fees
Average. What % of your gambling day is that if you are to maintain the level for no resort fee?
I think resort fees on free rooms is pure greed. I am boyd and they suck BUT they don’t exercise resort fees on comped rooms. But it’s not the same quality either. Still. Not being
Petty and certainly not worth complaining about if willing To continue.
At some point that extra $ isn’t worth what it drives away. They will realize that eventually.

 

Hate to pile on here, but my Caesars app and several emails within the last few days nagging me to take advantage of July offers yada yada yada, for S's and G's decided to see what the offer was from CP and what kind of room / price.

This offer for "complimentary or discount midweek rates" showed "offer" on July 4-7 dates on this room, so I picked that room and those dates to see if it would be comp (yah right) or what the "discount rate" would be, giving me a total cost of $849 base room rate for 3 nights, or $283 per night. Note this is logged in with offer applied, and there are no resort fees, confirming it didnt lose my session or something:


That seemed like higher than normal public / full rack rate to me, but it is, sort of, a holiday weekend so to speak, so I was curious how much they are charging the public for the same room on the same dates, and the room rate subtotal is LESS than the "offer" by about $50.

The so-called "discount rate" they are showing me on the "offer" is exactly the price listed as full "Standard Rate" to the general, non CR member public when I go to their web site without logging in, but look, general public gets a discount with the "vegas upgraded" promo by default.



This isn't a thing based on rack rates increasing and them only comping a specific dollar value; this is them attempting to rip off longer term higher tier players, under the guise of an "exclusive discount" charging them more than they charge Joe Tourist. I've been saying for a long time, if they stood on the rooftops and shouted that they despise players with a lot of TC and don't want repeat casino business, it would be less effective than this sort of BS at driving players away.

This isnt the first time I've seen this post-merger, where non-comp casino offers are higher than rack rate prices, but thought I would share because this is the first time I've been spam-nagged tenaciously to "take advantage of my exclusive offer" and reminded ad nauseam to "not let this exclusive offer get away." Honestly it would be less offensive to me if they just texted me "hey, go f**k yourself" - because at least that would be honest and wouldnt feel like a scam or con. They've devalued most of the perks I earned the hard way, and their current MO is now an emerging pattern of this bull@%@.

(And to be completely fair, the same offer gives me a small discount on a couple of room types vs public rate, and my comp calendar gives me 1 or 2 comped room types, but the room in my screenshots is what it showed me by default when I clicked book offer, and it did have some dates blacked out for Augustus Premium, so why not at least black it out on dates where it's going to charge more than they charge Joe Public!?!)

 

I dont blame anyone for sticking with caesars for now to take advantage of free comp rooms, and I think being a regular local player is the one possible remaining redeeming quality of their program, but this point here in regards to MLife is actually a huge advantage of MLife for a gambler. Because they arent handing out hard comps and freebies to people just for matching tiers, they have more wiggle room to award players for actual play, and they do.

And I know @Basil already mentioned this, but I've had up-front no resort fee offers from Cosmopolitan, couple places downtown, Wynn once (where I've never even given a full day of play), and all my offers from MLife except Aria and Bellagio. We're saying if you have enough play to earn diamond in Vegas the hard way, then your play will probably warrant these sorts of up front comps pretty much everywhere else in Vegas.

 

I agree it is true for some, but it's not guaranteed for people looking to change, whereas it is locked in at CET. That includes for plenty of "real gamblers" who earn Diamond at a place like Hammond.

 

The offers are regularly materially worse than just looking at your calendar. There are comp rooms galore out there starting on Monday the 5th. This is not a new Eldorado thing.

 

Understood and agreed, but I'm not comparing it to my comp calendar there - im comparing it to public rates, and it's worse than those.

 

Oh, I agree it's dumb.

 

This actually sounds like something new. If you don’t qualify to get what you want comped—they show you the normal price and call it an exclusive discount. Usually they say it’s “sold out” even if it is 100% bookable by any member of the general public.

I’m not sure which strategy is more insulting, but I doubt either one works well to get bookings.

There does seem to be a huge push suddenly to book “special, limited time offers” in with CET in LV. Those offers are the ones that are always available all the time, lol.

 

this isn't true...they've long had bizarre, non-sensical offers

Sold out is what they show when you have a free room available in a lower class. If you have no free rooms under the offer, they show a price.

 

Agreed, except these particular "must book by" offers, in my experience, have often allowed me to pay for a better room when one or more types is comped on the offer, and they're somewhat unique in that sense, and I dont think that was the case pre-merger. But what's definitely new to me post merger, is this is the 3rd time I've priced paid rooms on one of these offers, and it's the third time the "exclusive discounted rate" was higher than the default public rate.

Ha! I also just noticed on the nights NOT marked "Offer" the rate is significantly lower than public rate. Ita only on the exclusive discount offer nights that the price is higher than public rates.

 

Really appreciate all the responses here....too many to reply individually. Many thanks to everyone who took the time to share their thoughts and experiences.

When I made my initial post, I was leaning towards V/P....I figured I'm least likely to gets comps from Wynncore at my level, and the consensus seems to be that Cosmo favors slot players when it comes to comps and status. Plus the quality of the base room and dining options at V/P stood out to me.

After some thought, I ended up pivoting to Mlife....the flexibility of having more than 1 or 2 properties to choose from appeals to me, given my CET history. Lots of potential events under the Mlife umbrella as well, with T-Mobile arena and Park MGM theater. Also like the VP and BJ conditions at Mlife properties, compared to V/P. And great dining options across the entire portfolio (I assume that you can charge to your room from any Mlife property, same as CET?)

Already off to a very positive start with Mlife, as a co-worker of mine put me in touch with his host, based at MGM, and he was willing to comp me both nights for the quick 2 night trip we're planning for July (Thurs and Fri).

Looking forward to beginning a new chapter in my Vegas career!

 

Don't forget that MGM started this shit with the PGP.

There is a very, very small chance that MGM doesn't follow CET's lead. Then what? MGM may even make it worse, but if you burn CET, their algorithm won't be really quick to take you back.

I am not happy with where CET is going, either, but geez... there are lots of threads on this board about not "chasing comps". I understand that everyone has justified this to themselves as "next level" shit (taking away previous spiffs vs playing another benjamin to hit a higher tier), but by shunning CET in favor of MGM... well... you're chasing comps.

I love the California and Main Street Station. My "normal" play is solid Sapphire, I get free rooms all the time, F&B credits on my mailers, and a host that will comp a nice dinner on top of it. Boyd got their asses kicked on this board when they reformatted their program, but it didn't affect me. If I had burned them and not looked back, I would have just been hurting myself.

Play where you're happy and comfortable. Use your card, work with a host, and enjoy vacation.

(And if it seems like this is a copy/paste from another thread, its because we've got multiple threads of the exact same subject).

 

I don't see how I would be "burning CET" by simply no longer staying at their properties. Plus, my brother and his group will most likely continue to do CET for their annual March Madness trip, so I'll probably still stay there at least once a year, rather than 3 or so times.

I also don't agree that I'm chasing comps by leaving CET in favor of Mlife. I'd say that I'm leaving CET in favor of what is widely considered to be an overall higher level of resort across each respective portfolio.

If CET's comps have degraded (for me) to the point where it's pretty much "possibly a free room and not much else", then why wouldn't I see what I can get at the nicer of the two biggest operators on the Strip?

A couple other factors would be generally better VP conditions at Mlife vs CET (according to vpfree2), and as I alluded to in my initial post, I think that places like Aria, Bellagio, Mandalay will give me a better shot of getting my GF on board for an occasional trip, compared to places like Caesars, Paris, PH.

And perhaps above all, I'm just kind of sick of CET at this point. Probably more excited for this upcoming trip than I have been for any other in the past few years...