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Coin in to not “underplay” a comp

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Marlin3, Jan 27, 2021.

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  1. JulianC

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    Cosmo is surgical. Like everybody else, for back end comps based on any play you did on your Identity Rewards card, they are looking at theo. They are also a place where you better "earn the room" before you dare speak with a host regarding back end comps (and make sure you speak to the slot hosts if you mostly played slots, and the table games hosts if you mostly played tables).

    For self-spendable comps (Identity points), they are looking at coin-in. If you are above base level (meaning that your Identity Rewards status is Sterling, Gold, or Platinum), you get an automatic 2x (Sterling, Gold) or 3x (Platinum) point multiplier for your slot play. For your video poker play, you get no point multiplier at all, regardless of tier. If you play tables (live or electronic) at Cosmo and you want self-spendable comps...


    I must take this opportunity to once again point out that casinos absolutely love it when we are confused about topics like these.
     
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  2. Jejas

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    That is just a marketing campaign.
    I haven't played at V/P for 5+ years, and before that I never got any offer, good or bad, not a penny from them.
    Now I also have 3 free nights and $25 freeplay.
    Apparently they sent to anyone in their database.
    That has nothing to do with their comp policy.
     
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  3. JulianC

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    Again, standard boilerplate. The real thing here is theo. It is best to assume that every host everywhere expects at least 4 solid hours of active play (and not 2:30 actively playing and 1:30 wandering between machines/tables).
     
  4. WishMeLuck89

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    Wasn’t a marketing campaign, I haven’t been to Vegas in 7 years. Emailed a host and she worked with me.
     
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  5. Jejas

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    Ok good.
    If they are willing to send offer to a player like me, I can't think of a reason for a host to refuse anyone who takes an effort to contact him/her.
    My life time play history with V/P was like total 50 tier points.
     
  6. WishMeLuck89

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    I’ve never stepped foot in there so excited to check it out.
     
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  7. alexm

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    I'm going to agree with @Flowers here. My host said the exact same thing. It makes a difference to them because theo is based on variance over time. A person can play one spin at a 1000 dollar slot and have coin in of 1k. Takes 30 seconds and while the theoretical hold is there, the casino doesn't get enough time to let the percentage work out in their favor so they could make 1,000 break even or lose in that 30 seconds, but no matter what they will never get the actual percentage, that's developed over time.

    By contrast someone with 1k coin in over an hour so say 500 spins at 2 dollars per gives the casino a fair shake at getting their percentage which is all they care about.

    As an aside, not only did I get the same statement as Flowers from my host, I got denied a comp at another US casino and was flat at told by the host on duty, my coin-in was good (I was playing higher) but my time wasn't great. We were there to watch football so I spent 6-8 hours each of the days not playing and maybe played 2 hours per day. I got no back end comps despite about 10k coin in each day.
     
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  8. Flowers

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    I've also been told, not by a Wynncore host, that my "time" wasn't "long enough". I've never dealt with that host again but for someone to go through the trouble of calling me to say that to me is more affirmation of the point.
     
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  9. Jaydog98

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    Agree
     
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  10. AyDee

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    Where are the table game hosts located? I've gone twice to the host office in High limts slots and got dressed down for not even "earning the room".. Kind of went in for laughs the second time (got a few when he said the slow ass computer comp system was still DOS based - or almost... ) but had done more table play that trip so thought I had a chance.

    I'm assuming it's also a thing for a host to be evasive if you ask something like, "did I come close?, say I did double the play?, would that get me anything?" Gotta keep the mystery and moving target up.

    also about the losses, an unnamed host at South Point was honest enough to tell me straight up you're unlikely to get any back end if you are leaving a winner.. Also, offers vanished after a decent night at craps. I believe there have been similar reports from those unlucky enough to get a few VP royals.. I ain't mad at them, I'd much rather take the money and comp myself... And I do appreciate those decent VP pay tables/earned comp system, and wouldn't want them to get downgraded because they need to overcomp huge theo players.
     
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  11. JulianC

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    At Cosmo, the table game hosts can be found inside the high limit tables area, right behind the cage.

    Some smaller places that are used to seeing mostly larger volumes of smaller action from locals are more likely to "no-mail" people who straight up win, especially if they are not locals and especially if the action is of decent size. The conglomerates can handle any kind of action, and thus are fairer about comping based solely on theo. Even downtown can absorb a comp hit. A lot of the locals places, though... they can only offer so much in comps and they need to maintain a house edge in the comp game against the savvier players.
     
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  12. dankyone

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    I also think most hosts will start talking about time with players they don't know because it is easy to understand. If the answer is no, we can't do anything for you, it is easier to say "you need to play 4 hours a day" than to explain the entire concept of Theoretical.

    It is preposterous to think that someone who plays three hours at $25/spin at slots or $500/hand at tables would not accrue some significant comps. Similarly, a player at single line, full pay, quarter video poker won't generate much of anything at all if they play all day. Hosts would rather not explain all of this in detail to someone whose play doesn't justify back end comps, they just say something like "you need to play 4 hours a day."
     
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    I agree with Julian's observations. In addition, I think certain casinos with player friendly rules/games don't like to comp winning players. Pechanga in SoCal is one in my experience where they "don't like the games I play and the way I play" and won't comp anything past a room for me. Agua Caliente in Rancho Mirage said a few years ago they can no longer comp me ANYTHING after a series of winning trips. Come in and play our looser games, but don't play them too well and don't expect a free meal while you're doing it, LOL.

    CET and MGM properties will give you big back end comps on winning trips if the play is there. In fact, sometimes a winning trip generates MORE theo for some players since they will play longer/bigger if they are winning.
     
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  14. cjcjcj

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    I am a hit and run player. I think thats why not many hosts bother with my play, even when it could be significant some trips (40k coin-in on a 2 night stay for example). I like playing slots but rarely am on the floor for more than 20-30 minutes before wandering off to next casino or bar or go eat...

    Last host at Mirage said on night before checkout (didn't ask for anything backend, it was unsolicited)..."Hope you're down there putting in some time..."
     
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    This. If you were getting a suite at Caesars and $500+ in FP then I would understand your concern, but you are in a room you can book on Hotwire for $13 a night. Don't adjust your level of play out of your comfort zone. You will enjoy yourself much more.
     
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  16. AyDee

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    My latest comp mantra:
    They get what they get,
    and we'll get what we get.

    *Take the money and run!

    also, props to my buddy S who won't even get a card, and likes to say:
    "I'm a grown ass man, if I want it, I can pay for it"
     
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  17. Flowers

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    That host was so rude. Wow. I'd be murmuring FU. If the play isn't on par with the comps then the offers dry up. Not complicated. That same host I bet is hard to fine with play that results in significant losses.
     
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