CET Stocking Stuffers play-up offer

Has anyone gotten the email to go along with the Stocking Stuffers offer in LV starting 12/20? I have the offer and am planning to be there anyway, but curious what the play up tier thresholds and rewards are to see if it's worth double-booking or changing my booking. Seems like I only get the offer emails for about 20% of the offers I get in LV. Im definitely on the lowest tier to start - I got $40 or a PC mouse lol

 

That’s what I got. Not sure on play up

 

I got an 8" Fire Table or $100 FP, no details on the play up yet.

 

I got a 15.6" Chromebook laptop or $400 FP, it lists the play up but I don't have any details on it yet.

 

Could someone post the offer date range? I still seem to be on the naughty list to not receive CET emails.Thanks

 

12/19-12/23 is what I see.

 

Got this from my host, but no further details yet.

 

My normal feee play in LV is $375 and they are offering ma an $100 Amazon tablet. Screw them.

 

Well I got the email overnight last night, and the FP to TC ratio is the worst I've ever seen on one of these play up offers. Gonna be a hard pass for me (would cost me more than double the FP offer in resort fees unless I wanted to give up my suite). By comparison, the last one of these I got was a guaranteed $200 FP and went up from there at 1000TC. Eldorado is ruining CZR for me.

 

Not sure if this is a continuation of the dreaded offer declines which started at the local properties (Vegas offers are usually well ahead of local offers by months) but this offer is horrible compared to the apple offers, mattress, and fitness. Hard hard hard pass. Why would I ever do this when my monthly free play offer is for 375 but they are only offering me $100 here.

 

I got the email. My guaranteed FP amount is $100 and my play up levels are the same as yours.

I think the most generous play up offer I got that I would have taken advantage of was $1,200 FP for 6,000 TCs, which is the number of TCs I'd get on a normal stay. That offer was effective for this week, it was tough to leave that on the table, but I wanted to go earlier. I didn't end up staying at CET at all on that trip.

I mean that offer was insane, 6,000 TCs = $30,000 coin-in = $3,000 or less in theo and they're giving me back 40% of that in freeplay?

So the FP amounts at each hurdle on this new offer are 25% lower than that one. $900 in FP for 6,000 TCs is still a 30% rebate on theo and 3% on coin-in.

I wouldn't have booked any of these play up offers just for the base guaranteed amount, it was the play up amounts that were attractive.

I also have this sneaking feeling that there's no free lunch with these and if you hit a big play up hurdle, they're going to take a bite out of your ass in future offers.

 

Well, because if your regular offer is $375, and you stay a few nights, your play level is probably such that you're probably going to play enough to hit a hurdle that will get you way more than $375. But I don't know what your typical trip length is.

 

@MCann @HardEight44

Maybe I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing, but none of my local offers have declined even one bit, if anything my AC offers are improving despite not playing there. My only gripe so far with the merger is that my play hasn't been considered for rooms at Tropicana, but we may pay to stay there next trip just to get situated with them. Also, since the merger is not fully complete, I think you are still seeing CZR stuff here and ED stuff at their properties. Also Mcann, what are your normal free play offers.

I think this is probably one of those where they have done a bunch of fantastic Play up deal with huge +EV and now they are offering a quick one to get one last business bump before the end of the year.

@Chuck2009x is absolutely spot on. The 375 is based on your historical level of play, which is likely far more than 2500 TC over 4 days. At that level you would get 400 in FP (more than your normal offer). As long as you were planning a normal playing trip, this is the better offer. I mean even for me this offer is a no brainer, I typically play 1k in TC per day so with no stress at all would hit the 600 dollar level of FP. My normal FP offer is around 50 bucks for a trip.

 

@alexm what I'm talking about is my comps and benefits across the board have decreased exponentially since July or August. Mine also havent changed a bit in Cherokee and oy minor changes in Biloxi, but in Vegas my room options were cut severely for the most part (but actually improved at Flamingo where I've never stayed, and to a lesser extent at Ballys). The diamond plus and up benefits have been slashed to the extent they are almost non-existent except for an ever decreasing list of places we might be able to get 4 drinks per day under $20. I'm getting fewer offers, and this offer for example represents an 80% decrease in initial offer value over the last few, as well as 60 to 80% decrease in value for the play up milestones. For me, the worst thing that has happened is my Caesars Palace comp rooms have gone from Palace and Octavius, and sometimes Augustus towers on my calendar to Forum basic room only. Pretty much all offers I got until after the merger (and prior to covid too) upgraded me to fountain view Augustus rooms. Noe they are all forum classic, occasionally "upgrading" me to the fabulous Julius tower, where I already wouldnt stay for free. Yes, they did send out some overly generous offers for the first couple or few months after re-opening, but since the completion of the merger, my personal offers and benefits have cut back to significantly worse than they were this time last year before there was a decline in the market and my average play has increased significantly since then.

 

This is the type of non info I got for the Apple promo!
Who cares what time the kiosks are open? Tell me how much you are offering me and what the play up parameters are.

 

Perfect example, I just got an offer that includes the Augustus strip view rooms... for $157 per night, blacked out on weekends. For the same exact dates it gave me that price on offer, I already have the forum classic royal suite booked through public booking, for $134 per night. Public rate for the same Augustus room on the same dates is currently $130 per night. It actually got cheaper when I removed the offer entirely. And the offer came with no other comp credit, FP, etc

 

I'm not disagreeing that your offers in certain areas have been reduced, but I wonder if that's a by-product of increased bookings combined with capacity restrictions. I'm not sure what your play is, but I have to assume it's more than mine since I am not getting these random offers, but on my comp calendar I have the Augustus Strip view available as a comp. I don't think offers are reflective of what you can actually get. My best offer in AC is 3 nights Sun-Thursday at Ballys and in LV it's 2 nights Sun-Thur at Ballys or Harrah's both with 50 FP and 50 RC. By contrast the calendar itself offers me any night comped at any property and up to 5.

I'm not sure what your daily level of play is, but I see the same things. In July I had suites at Caesars comped on my calendar, now I don't, but I do have suites at Flamingo. I'm also not sure if you have taken advantage of any of the offers and whether that may have had an impact.

Other than the closing of lounges, I'm not sure what Diamond plus benefits have been cut, but I would love to know since I actively pursue Diamond Plus. And also, I suspect that they are reducing the number of places to get the benefit because they will be reopening the lounges.

If what you are saying is accurate, there might be a problem with their tracking of your play. In 2020 as a result of Covid, my play and visits has decreased dramatically and my comps are stronger than before the merger with CZR properties. I would call the VIP line and talk to someone since it doesn't make sense.

 

Assuming that the hurdles and associated free plays that @MCann posted also apply to me for this Vegas CET "stocking stuffer" event, it does not seem like there is any "meat left on the bone."

By way of example, to get 8,000 tier points, I have to run $80,000 through a video poker machine. (This ignores VP machines where I get a better schedule but need to play $25 for a point). But the best Vegas CET VP schedule is 9/5 JOB which has a 1.5% disadvantage. So the best "expected" loss on playing $80,000 in VP is a $1,200 loss. Since that is exactly the amount of free play at the highest hurdle, I don't see any advantage given CET's tighted hurdles. That's after you go through the risk of your bankroll. Maybe it would make sense if you use that trip to also pick up free play and other goodies at other casinos but not based on this promo.

It's possible that my hurdles are somehow different, but I doubt it.

 

I guess in terms of diamond benefits, it's the ones I really use personally that have taken the hits. That is mostly due to covid, but the only benefit for plus specifically is the lounge, which they havent re-opened in Vegas anywhere and are making noise like that might not happen ever. The free drink replacement was already a downgrade, because it would be unusual for me to go to the lounge without a guest, and we'd each have at least two drinks. They were in some sense limited to whatever bottles are on hand in the particular lounge you decide to use, but I never ran in to any limits like the free ones now have with maximum allowable values and daily limits. They also uses to comp most drinks at most of the informal and casino bars for diamond but have used the 4 per day benefit as an excuse to mostly end that. The other benefits I really used a lot are the buffet discounts and line skips which obviously arent happening and that's obviously due to covid, the tier show free tickets, also gone for now, and the valet parking, which has been open and not open at various properties and dates and they have done a poor job at communicating when and where that is available or not, at least in my case (I've called and been told no then saw it open, and vice versa, and been told "I dont know") si at this point all I'm really getting is the VIP checkin and waived resort fees, oh and the dinner, and even the dinner is muted by the fact that when and where you can use them is guesswork with a lot of items missing from menus and hours and reservations being sporadic.

I totally understand that most if the benefits were decimated by the virus, but they've done very little in terms of attempts to reconcile that, while at the same time the rooms available on my comp calendar have been drastically reduced and value of offers significantly cut. And when I talk about my room availability at Caesars Palace I'm talking about both my comp calendar and offers. In the last 2 years, I have used only one offer from CET, and all it gave me was a room upgrade from Octavius or Palace tower to Augustus fountain view with no additional. I booked several more but they all didnt work out. I think the last one I booked was a 3 night stay in a suite a PHo with a free Norwegian Cruise certificate, but that was for April so obviously that didnt happen. Now my offers are a (-$27) per night "special rate" or $30 or $40 free play. And I would suggest that the rate increase if I book Augustus on the offer I got just today is them trying to recover even a portion of the waived resort fee. With the offer, price goes up by $27 over public rate, without offer, rooms says unavailable/ sold out. Log out of my account and the room is available and price goes way down.

 

Play up offers MAY be different for different players. CET lost most of their Big video poker play a long time ago due to poor pay schedules. Therefore, they designed these generous covid era play up offers primarily for slot players—since they really don’t have much VP play anymore and it is very tough to generate huge tier credits with table play. A slot player is likely going to get crushed going for these hurdles.

Smarter VP players stepped in, willing to put in bigger play on less than full pay games which actually became EV+ after juicy free play was factored in. CET lost money to some players on the promo and tightened things up.

They MAY preserve the attractive play up offers to those who only play slots and just tighten them for VP players. Who knows.